Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arsen Grigoryan (Romance)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A third relist is inadvisable. Sources are listed as "good" but as they are YouTube, it is not explained why they could be considered so. This meets "no consensus" instead of delete, because a the argument Yerevan Music Awards are notable and therefore BASIC is met is credible. I would suggest those with knowledge of the topic significantly improve the referencing, or make it clear the youtube videos are produced by independent reliable sources (and for copyright reasons uploaded by rightsholders). Bringing this back to AfD in a month or two would not be unreasonable. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 00:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Arsen Grigoryan (Romance)

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despite the bold claims here, none of it can be verified by independent reliable sources and I can find nothing better in English or any other language. This also appears to be a blatant attempt to spam Grigoryan via a hijacked DAB. (and the Armenian article is also unsourced...) CUPIDICAE💕  00:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Armenia.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, want to mention that the article has already been renamed to Arsen Grigoryan (singer, born 1978), also it has good sources and well written. Ssatenik (talk) 22:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, seems well sourced and well written to me. Archives908 (talk) 01:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate on what those sources are? Because I only see two and none of those are particularly compelling, . CUPIDICAE💕  18:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For real? This is a celebrity from a small country with the same name as multiple other artists. What do you expect for such an article, a plethora of tertiary sources? I don't see anything wrong with what is present and, in my opinion, there are far better alternatives (as seen below) to improve the article, then deleting it. Archives908 (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There are no attempts below to improve the article. And the fact that he's from a small country is irrelevant, Wikipedia requires independent reliable sources, especially for WP:BLPs. Those simply don't exist. If you think the article can be improved, do it by adding sources instead of speculating that they exist when they can't be found. Further, no one is arguing about any other article here and frankly, other bios are irrelevant. In fact, even in Armenian Wikipedia, there are no sources. CUPIDICAE💕  19:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of notability guidelines. For the third time, I see no issues with the sources provided. Not to mention the article itself is pretty well written. I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to convey. Granted, this singer isn't a common household name, but that is relative. What is notable to one person, may not be notable to another. This artist has created several well known songs in Armenia. Again, maybe not well known to you, but is well known to others. Therefore, this comes down to sourcing. Naturally, a "C or D list celebrity" won't have as much coverage as an A-list celebrity would, but that isn't justification for deletion. Just because you can't find sources- doesn't mean they aren't there. It doesn't help that Arsen Grigoryan is a very common name (akin to a "Bob Smith") and going through sources will take time. If you read the comments below, you will see other suggestions including re-drafting the article/changing the name of it. Re-drafting would allow us more time to do the research required to verify his notability. I don't mind helping, if you've exhausted your search. Archives908 (talk) 20:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 23:20, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Why is "(Romance)" used as a disambiguator here? It's never mentioned in the article. With three different Armenian singers named Arsen Grigoryan having articles, I don't know how we can properly disambiguate them other than by birth year, per WP:SINGERDAB. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete (or possibly draftify), as this appears to be an attempt to create an article in mainspace by a devious route. Restore disambiguation page to its state before recent edits, and move it back to its correct title of Arsen Grigoryan with its history rebuilt. If this article is kept, Rename as Arsen Grigoryan (singer, born 1978), compatible with existing article. Pam  D  10:23, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - I straightened out the Arsen Grigoryan disambig page and moved the article title for one of the other guys so everyone's formatting is consistent. That should take care of PamD's concern above, except for rebuilding some old history. Meanwhile I am undecided on this Arsen's notability as many of his sources are in Armenian and I am unsure of their reliability. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 18:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep and improve. At one time he was a very popular singer in Armenia who won many awards. The article really needs to be improved to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 09:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * So does it meet the criteria for notability? – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 04:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, as a composer, he was awarded the "Best Composer of the Year" award at the 2007 Yerevan Music Awards in Moscow, which is a notable award . We can't find many references as the artist was popular in the early 2000s. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 08:36, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


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