Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arsenal F.C.–Manchester City F.C. rivalry


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Arsenal F.C.–Manchester City F.C. rivalry

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Another example of recency bias. Not a rivalry in any meaningful sense, just two teams competing for the league title against each other for two consecutive seasons. If anything, Manchester United-Chelsea deserve a standalone article far more than Manchester City-Arsenal. Monerals (talk) 11:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and England.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep – Evidently it is not the biggest rivalry between the two teams, but the recent direction that, in particular, Manchester City has gone through, means that there is enough relevance in supporting an article about the rivalry between the clubs. This is added to the fact that the EPL is the main football league in the world today, and that the two teams have been competing directly for achievements in recent years. Svartner (talk) 02:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep This rivalry has a significant coverage in reliable sources to pass WP:GNG and major media organizations see the battle between the two teams as a rivalry (e.g. Man City, Arsenal and the new Premier League rivalry on the block - Al Jazeera or Premier League's defining rivalry in post Klopp era - The Telegrpah ) Miria~01 (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The existence of secondary sources that classify Arsenal–City matches as an emerging rivalry does not warrant a standalone article. As I have pointed out, United–Chelsea, Liverpool–Arsenal (or even Barcelona–Atletico) are no less rivalries by the definition used to create this article, i.e. the two teams competing against each other for trophies. Arsenal and Manchester City lack shared history, geographical proximity, anymosity on the part of the fans etc. Being involved in a title race for two years in a row does not make them rivals. Manchester United–Chelsea finished 1st and 2nd in 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2009-10, 2010-11, as well as having played in the 2007 FA Cup final, 2007 Community Shield, 2008 UCL final, 2009 Community Shield, 2010 Community Shield and 2010-11 UCL QF. If anything, their 'rivalry' in that time period is far more deserving of an article than City vs Arsenal. Monerals (talk) 11:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep as above. GiantSnowman 20:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Not a premier league fan I take it? Of course there is a rivalry between these two now. More since Man City's ascension and economic power-up. There is loads of the web for GNG, utterly stupid nomination and you should be trouted. Govvy (talk) 22:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If Newcastle challenges City for the title next season, I fully expect a Newcastle United F.C.–Manchester City F.C. rivalry article to be created shortly. Let's dilute the term to such an extent that it doesn't even mean anything anymore. Monerals (talk) 05:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep No idea why this was nominated. It is clearly an important and widely known and acknowledged rivalry. Anwegmann (talk) 23:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete – per nom. Many of the references are media puff pieces to generate excitement for matches their outlets cover. Obviously there is a complex relationship between their *current* managers and when they are both challenging for honours, matches between them are tense and highly anticipated, but that's not a rivalry in the traditional sense for football, it can be compared to the tennis rivalries which of course are come and go over each decade as the players rise and fade from prominence. The first sentence in the body of this article states Arsenal and Manchester City were not traditional rivals, so, sounds like recentism, but maybe if there's a sustained needle over the past coupe of decades (maybe all the way back to the invention of football itself in 1992) it could be justified as something enduring; however, the lead even says [after City became extremely strong in the early 2010s and Arsenal less so] The rivalry was not renewed properly until the 2022–23 season, in other words for about 10 of the past 12 years nobody from either club gave two hoots about the other apart from maybe pulling out a bitchy Wenger quote or video of Adebayor losing his mind when they were about to play each other. The minute one of them drops out of the top 4/5/6 for a single year, they will go back to not caring about each other. Crowsus (talk) 23:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep yes, it is recency bias, but it has already received enough significant coverage by independent reliable sources to be notable. Contributor892z (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.