Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Art Blastside


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 13:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Art Blastside

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Non-notable fictional character. Multiple issues with this article; fails WP:FICT in no available reliable sources, and I don't think it's own article is necessary due to the lack of content to put into it; 22Art+Blastside%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=2dx&start=40&sa=N Google search for "Art Blastside" turns up nothing but book buying sites, minor mentions on sci-fi sites, a bunch of noticeboards and some user reviews. Any information can be included in the main article (The Piratica Series). Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! ☺  21:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Art Blastside is a very notable character. There is plenty of information to put on her page. I'm hoping to make it look like the character pages for the Twilight series characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TigressofIndia (talk • contribs) 21:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   — Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  21:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: AfD is "Articles for Deletion" not "Articles for Merging." Merge proposals should use the merge templates. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that this character shouldn't have it's own article; any information that the main article doesn't have can be included there. A separate article isn't needed. Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  23:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We can't merge unsourced material, and the article as is is wholly unsourced. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 14:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment But that would also mean Felix Phoenix and any other future expansions of character information would also be merged, and I'm worried the page would eventually get too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TigressofIndia (talk • contribs) 21:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, remember that not every minor detail need be included about a character. All you're looking to do is summarize the major impacts the character has had on the series. Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  02:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment What about a separate page for the characters of The Piratica Series, a la Avatar: The Last Airbender?. TigressofIndia (talk) 13:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Doubtful that secondary sources have devoted significant coverage to this character. Doctorfluffy (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete nn fictional character. Notability not established per WP:N "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Zero hits at Google news. A summary of the character at the main Piratica article should suffice. No need for separate article.  Sting_au    Talk  00:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Non-admin closure against consensus overturned, relisted. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * Delete. Even its main article, The Piratica Series (never heard of it), establishes no kind of notability, so getting detailed about characters is completely the wrong direction. Allow userfying/transwiki for interested parties. – sgeureka t•c 14:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This doesn't meet WP:FICT. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - This was a merge proposal, not a deletion proposal. A merge tag should be placed on the article, and a merge proposal posted on its talk page.  I posted some messages on the article's talk page with some links to sources I found, and the admin trialsanderrors deleted the whole talk page, calling it "clean up".  I even provided a link to an interview with the author of the book in which she discusses her inspiration for the character.  I never heard of a talk page with message posts about sources on it being CSD'd.  Have you?  I would appreciate it if my posts were restored.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    12:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify; are you voting keep because you believe the proposal was poorly worded? I've reworded it, so I think it should convey what I mean. Also, please list the sources here, as is proper AfD procedure, so that other users can consider them. Thanks! Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  22:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk page restored. The link there hardly help in referencing the article. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 13:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In your reworded nomination, you've suggested the precise procedure for a merge. It's still a merge proposal.  This is starting to look like forum shopping.  It is inappropriate to post merge proposals at AfD.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    00:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've reworded one more time. I'll just make a suggestion to the author, directly, instead of doing it through the nomination paragraph. Sorry if any confusion arose because of this. Cheers, Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  00:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - Another name for this character is "Piratica". A major theme of the first book is about Art Blastside assuming the name, which initially belonged to her mother.  So, if the names of the stories (the book titles) are notable, then the character has to be notable, because her name is in the titles.  For example, if "Harry Potter and the Beanstalk" and "Harry Potter the Giant Killer" were the names of notable stories, then "Harry Potter" would unavoidably be a notable character.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    22:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I've read, Piratica is a title, not a name. Also, how does the book's plot prove notability out-of-universe? We need external, verifiable sources. Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  22:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a name, like "Robin Hood".  In the story, Piratica was initially Art's mother's stage name.  Art adopted it as her own pirate name.  Street names, stage names, nick names, pirate names, are all still names.  She is known throughout the land and across the seas as Piratica.  That's who she is.  "King Henry VIII" is a name, whether it is a title or not.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    23:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, thanks for the explanation! I still don't see how that indicates notability outside the universe, though... Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  23:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.