Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Art Lord & the Self-Portraits


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Not much discussion, and after having been relisted twice, there is currently no consensus about the notability of this subject. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 01:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Art Lord & the Self-Portraits

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A defunct band that appears to have only one significant mention repeated three times (the last three refs) All the remaining refs are drive by tags in articles about a successor group. No evidence of any significant notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk 19:46, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   20:46, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   20:46, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The article was originally a re-direction page to Future Islands—the bands successor group— which I've been trying to raise in quality from Start Class. The section on Art Lord & the Self-Portraits developed to such lenght, it was starting to clutter the article. Most of their members are the same, but they are two different bands with different characters: Art Lord & Self Portraits is satirical and for laughter, Future Islands is serious and approaches themes such as suicide. Seemed confusing to have one page of intro on a band with a totally different tone, yet that information needed to exist somewhere to give context to Future Islands.


 * I thefore created a stub, moving the section on the Future Islands article as it was at the moment. I was still working on both articles when the Art Lord & the Self-Portraits was called for deletion (less than 3hrs later). Regarding the lack of significant mentions, the band was active between 2003-2005 with a reunion in 2013, and since it is difficult to find online articles older than a decade, and the successor group exists for 11 years already, most online still existing interviews about the band were indeed given by Future Islands. Also, I was still in the process of adding and organizing references. I have now developed the article a bit more and should it sill not be considerent sufficient, I am ok with merging it back into Future Islands and make it a redirection page again. Wapunguissa (talk) 06:28, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Re-direct After substantial work on the Future Islands article, it reached a sufficient size that would justify merging the information on Art Lord & the Self-Portraits into it, following the explample of Easy Cure. I have since moved all the relevant information into the Future Islands article and would like to request for this page to become a re-direction to it, as it was originally. Wapunguissa (talk) 17:56, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:13, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:52, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've continued to develop the article and believe the number of references is sufficient to justify a stand-alone article. Since the last relisting, I realiezd Art Lord & the Self-Portraits had were proeminent to the Greenville music scene at the time and should be added to the Musical Groups of North Carolina category, while Future Islands tends to be listed on Musical groups from Baltimore. So by merging the two we are taking away a relevant band from the NC category. Also, the band has a large enough discography—4 albums and 3 compilations—which are cluttering the Future Islands discography: Easy Cure which I used to sustain the merging never released a record. Wapunguissa (talk) 01:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The article has already been relisted twice with no comments then my own which is discouraging. I believe WP:BEFORE C.2 (If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article.) should have been applied given the fact that the article was nominated only a couple of hours after being created from a redirection. I was thus forced to developed it quickly, though I'm still finding information about the band (and refs) through my research which I haven't had time to bring in it. Wapunguissa (talk) 16:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


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