Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artel Jarod Walker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 22:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Artel Jarod Walker

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This actor appears to fail our notability guidelines WP:ACTOR. There also appear to be no solid sources whatsoever.

There are some edits in the history of this article claiming that this person is also known as "Artel Kayàru" or "Artel Great!" (an identification imdb also makes), although a new editor has disputed this. I can't verify that these persons are the same. And, in any case, none of their alleged alternative names seems to yield any solid sources to give us material to write an article, or to testify to notability.

The identification is an interesting puzzle, but ultimately may be irrelevant as this fails our guidelines anyway.


 * Please note, File:Ajw2.JPG purports to identify Walker, and may need removed if this can't be established. Scott Mac 16:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - minor actor, lack of independent reliable reports. Three alleged names, dubious picture is being used imo in a hoax attempt. Sockpuppet investigation confirms the hoax attempt and that the person that removed the prod last night was a sockpuppet. Off2riorob (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Minor actor, article used in hoax attempt, fails WP:ENT. Joe Chill (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: many actors use pseudonyms. They simply require sourcing.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no reliable sources have been found.--Scott Mac 00:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can only suppose your Google-foo is broken.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no reliable sources have been found.--Scott Mac 00:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can only suppose your Google-foo is broken.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can only suppose your Google-foo is broken.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * He is sourcable as having received an Independent Spirit Award nomination for 'Best Debut Performance' for his work in Dahmer, for which role he used the screen-name of "Artel Kayaru".. The roles is attributed on IMDB to the stage name "Artel Great".   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And in researching, it is easily found that "Artel Jarod Walker" is sourcable through The New York Times as having had a role in Save the Last Dance... a role attributed to the stage name "Artel Great" on IMDB. AND "Artel Kayaru" is sourcable through The New York Times as having had several more of the roles attributed on IMDB to the stage name "Artel Great".  So now we have multiple reliable sources that connect "Artel Jarod Walker" and "Artel Kayaru" to the stage name "Artel Great". So as he asked for sources and they have been presented, perhaps User:Scott MacDonald will revert his several reversions of my attempts to improve the Walker article through regular editing?    Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - This fails the notability guideline. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Which one? WP:ENT or WP:ANYBIO? Or is it that you see New York Times as not being a "solid" source?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not a NYT story. It takes data from All Media Guide, as do many pages on the New York Times site. Fences  &amp;  Windows  23:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Verification of an asserted fact is never limited to only from an "article" or "story". As does any decent news publication, The New York Times gets their information from many places... and it is by their established and continued reputation for fact-checking and accuracy that, as a source, they are deemed reliable.  And yes, the NYT film listings may use pocket summaries attributed to AMG, but so what?  What is also found at the bottom of each NYT film listing is the name "InBaseline".  Quite important to note and remember. The New York Times Company set up InBaseline, as an entire division dedicated solely to fact-checking and accuracy of film information they share.   If information published in the NYT is provided by their own subsidiary InBaseLine, the information can be seen and accepted as far more reliable and accurate than IMDB, specially as (unlike IMDB) NYT freely shares the editorial standards and practices used in their verifying information they publish.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice per NotJustYet. There has been a lot of grief because SPAs and Socks have been playing fast and loose with images in relation to this individual. Fine. That issue is being decided elsewhere and no article ever "needs" an image.  Toward this article and its subject, I am convinced through inter-relationship of screen names as verifiable in reliable sources, that "Artel Jarod Walker", "Artel Kayaru", and "Artel Great" are screen names of the same person as represented by various on-screen film credits... specially as being credited under various names is not at all uncommon in the industry.  That said... and in accepting the three names represent the one actor... it is my determination that under whichever name one wishes to research, the individual's career falls just a bit short of meeting WP:ENT, the lack of coverage under the various screen names fails WP:GNG, and the single nomination fails the WP:ANYBIO request for either a win or multiple nominations. I might expect that when/if this changes, a properly asserted and sourced article could return in the future. If/when it does, I hope the SPAs stay away.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. The small amount of coverage received for the part in Dahmer is not enough to establish notability. I am not convinced that the different Artels are all definitely the same person, particularly with the strange goings on with the photos. Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well... I seriously doubt the photo-hoaxers have been able to bribe the staff at The New York Times, InBaseline, or AMG to act against their own interests. However, I do agree that by this meager career and lack of coverage, an article on this individual is certainly not yet suitable for Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:43, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
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