Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Baert


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The result was redirect to 7th Chess Olympiad. Assertion of sources is not the same as providing sources Spartaz Humbug! 09:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Arthur Baert

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I can't find any indepth sources about him, only chess databases like the ones already in the article. Fails WP:BIO. (Note; every country can send a team to the Chess Olympiad, no matter the level of the participants. Competing at the Chess Olympiad thus doesn't indicate that one is an international top player). Fram (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - Does not appear to meet WP:BIO. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep In my opinion, participants at the Chess Olympiad are all relevant. They are always the best players of a country and therefore have enough notability. Steak (talk) 10:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not if chess gets little to no attention in their country at that time. Being one of the best in something which doesn't interest the public (or the media) means that you aren't notable, no matter how good you are. Notability isn't decided by "they should be notable", but by actual sources. Fram (talk) 10:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to 7th Chess Olympiad, the only one he competed in and where he is listed as a participant. There isn't enough coverage to justify a standalone article. P-K3 (talk) 12:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep According to Cornil's Championnats de Belgique d'Echecs (1901-2009), he competed in six Belgian championships from 1935 to 1959, tying for 2nd in 1949 and never finishing lower than a tie for 5th, and winning the tournament prize for most brilliant game in 1935 (as judged by world champion Max Euwe) while tying for fourth with Alberic O'Kelly, future grandmaster and correspondence world champion. Verhulst's Belgian Chess History gives 25 events he competed in from 1931 to 1970, citing local newspapers and magazines of the time as sources. Baert was from Antwerp (after the war, he was active in Turnhout – see e.g.,, p. 10), winning the league championship of that city in 1970 and representing it or Belgium in several intercity/international matches besides the Olympiad mentioned in the current article. He was a doctor by profession. A leading Belgian player for 40 years can be expected to have significant coverage in local secondary sources such as the ones cited by Verhulst. In particular, I'd look to Wasnair and Jadoul's 300-page Histoire des maîtres Belges , published in 1988, as a likely source of further information on Baert. Belgicapress gives 27 results for 'schaken' + "Dr. Baert" from 1930 to 1970, the last year covered in the database. Cobblet (talk) 06:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I am persuaded by Cobblet's points. It seems there will be plenty written about him in Belgian journals and other documents. Added to his Olympiad appearance and creditable placings at multiple national championships, this seems fine. Brittle heaven (talk) 16:38, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: participation to a Chess Olympiad is not notable per se, since the level of the participants varies greatly, many from not-so-strong chess playing nations are amateurs, club level players. He may have competed several times in the Belgian national championship, but never managed to win a title, and it's not a strong chess-playing nation. Sophia91 (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pamzeis (talk) 08:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


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