Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur E. Morris


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep (non-admin closure) - Nomination withdrawn, no delete !votes. Snotty Wong  chat 00:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Arthur E. Morris

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Unreferenced BLP, declined speedy. I do not think being mayor meets WP:POLITICIAN, and there's no other assertion of notability. --Nuujinn (talk) 20:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep coverage in the Lancaster Intelligencer. Held a number of positions besides being Mayor of Lancaster. Racepacket (talk) 23:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment, I think it is to be expected that a local politician will have coverage in local newspapers. Can you make an argument for general notability or why the subject meets the criteria at WP:POLITICIAN? --Nuujinn (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:POLITICIAN says, "mayors of cities of at least regional importance are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city." Here, Morris was not only the youngest mayor in history, but he later served as chair of the Convention Authority that brought him into litigation with a former county commissioner and the local newspapers. So we have a subjective call as to whether Lancaster City and County is sufficiently prominent in the region (Lancaster is the 8th largest city in Pennsylvania) or whether Morris' role in the convention center controversy or as chair of the Three Mile Island decommissioning advisory panel is sufficient.  In my view, Morris meets the test. Racepacket (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In regard to "cities of at least regional importance", Lancaster has a population of about 55K, and being 8th in size in it's home state doesn't make it important at a regional level. As for the Three Mile Island commission and the legal conflict you mention, I'll gladly withdraw the nomination if you find significant coverage on those in reliable sources. --Nuujinn (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I'm willing to give a lot of leeway to a mayor and this one appears to have received coverage on various items outside his mayorship (e.g. state record holder, race named after him, TMI advisory panel). The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, and The New York Times, sources far removed from Pennsylvania, mention him as the head or chairman of the panel. Location (talk) 01:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 39 other Lancaster mayors have Wikipedia biographies. Racepacket (talk) 03:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In regard to the other articles, see WP:OTHER. In regard to the NY and LA Times articles, he gets passing mention rather than significant coverage. --Nuujinn (talk) 13:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The LAT and NYT are major papers that refute the earlier point that he has only been mentioned in local news sources. WP:BIO/WP:BASIC states: "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability". We are obviously not going to find Thomas Jefferson-like biographies written about this guy, but the article shows that enough has been found over multiple independent reliable sources to write a decent sized article about him. Location (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * True, but ideally we need to find enough in 2ndary sources to be able to put up an article that does not rely on material from sites that are closely associated with him. I think we're close to being able to do that. --Nuujinn (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I am as deletionist as the next guy when it comes to vanity or COI biographies. However, here somebody created a bio for every mayor in the history of Lancaster and created succession boxes linking them.  I suspect that is how this article started.  Lancaster is the hub of that part of Pennsylvania, and Morris has been active beyond just being the mayor.  Again, the notability criteria is subjective, but i think this article is worth a rescue effort. Racepacket (talk) 01:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The options should be Keep or Merge into List of mayors of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. If you consider him notable for only one event, then merge. If notable in general, then he keeps his own article. But to claim he's so non-notable that all information should be deleted in total? This is the sort of debacle which has caused me to semi-retire from Wikipedia. I have no idea what some of you 'deletionists' are trying to accomplish here. Or rather, un-accomplish. Flatterworld (talk) 15:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I would endorse a merge, fwiw. Also, please note I have not !voted yet. My feeling is that the subject is not notable enough for his own article, but it's close. --Nuujinn (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as per user:Location   Th e S te ve   17:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Google news archive search for his name and the word mayor gives results . Based on what others have said, I'd say this person is notable enough for a Wikipedia article.   D r e a m Focus  00:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep As per some excellent improvements by in a relatively short amount of time, which tells me that this article could improve even further if even more thorough efforts were made (which they hopefully will be as a result of this AFD). The article is supported by reliable sources. Personally, I would be satisfied with keeping this article simply based on his status as mayor, let alone all the other information that's been added. —  Hun  ter   Ka  hn  00:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn, ok, I'm convinced there's enough there, thanks to Racepacket for yeoman's service in finding sources. --Nuujinn (talk) 01:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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