Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Gordon Matthew


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The result was   keep. J04n(talk page) 11:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Gordon Matthew

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Fails WP:Soldier Gbawden (talk) 07:26, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment The only real claim to notability is his receipt of a CBE from the British crown, which is not an especially high honour (below a knighthood, for instance) but not the lowest honour. I had a quick look in newspaper archives and couldn't find anything about him, so I'm still no wiser as to why he got the CBE. Couldn't find him in the ODNB either. Without more sources, probably not notable. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The CBE, although not the OBE or MBE, has consistently been held to count as a "well-known and significant award or honor" under the terms of WP:BIO. Brigadier is considered to be a rank which confers notability under WP:SOLDIER (despite the nominator's incorrect claims that it does not), since although a brigadier has not been a general officer rank in Britain since the 1920s, it used to be and is in most other countries (a British brigadier is entirely equivalent in rank to a US brigadier general, for instance, even though one is a general and the other is not). He therefore qualifies for inclusion under both a guideline and another widely-accepted standard. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Like Necrothesp, I think we need to be consistent here. We get into difficulties in discussions as to why historical figures were notable and whether they deserved to be. There is sufficient prima facie evidence that he was notable at the time. --AJHingston (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously. CBE is a notable award, just one rank below a knighthood, as is the Distinguished Service Order (DSO).  Granted, there not much material out there that I could find at this stage, but there's enough.  I think he fairly obviously received his CBE in the military division for services to the British Army during the Second World War; the DSO for similar reasons.  WP:SOLDIER makes special note #6 of those who have commanded troops during wartime, and it wasn't exactly a minor war.  Oh and obituary in The Times indicates WP:COVERAGE.  Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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