Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Howell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus is that the subject fails to meet the criteria regarding significant coverage, person notability criteria and general notability criteria. PhantomSteve/ talk ¦ contribs \ 12:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Arthur Howell

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

Fails WP:SOLDIER. I'm not convinced that having a street named after you in a suburb of 4,000 people makes you notable, either. Lettlerhello 18:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello 18:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello 18:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello 18:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - I am not convinced any Afd should be constrained to a specific guideline, when the interaction in an Australian community between historic legacy and the context military service can be such a fraught issue. As to the 'size' of a community as a reflection as to the context of an individual in the community in the 'colonies' (as any British reader might understand), is a total furphy - the legacy and reputation of individuals was and is a much more complex cultural phenomenon in the community, and I for one would never put a google count or other count as a means of evaluating a persons reputation, or lack of../. JarrahTree 01:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think having a street named after you is actually a pretty good indicator of notability, regardless of the population of the area (in fact, maybe even more so if it's a smaller place, because there would generally be fewer streets to name!). As for his military notability, I agree that it's probably not enough on it's own, but in conjunction with working for both the Tramways and local government (about which there's more to be added to the article), I'd say Howell is definitely notable in a Western Australian context. The docs say that deletion is "for articles which cannot be improved", and I don't think that's the case here. —Sam Wilson 02:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - on closer look this AFd (in my understanding of suffering them for over 10 years), is complete furphy - the involvement in local government in the Fremantle community in a public position is in itself a sufficient. Try being an employee or elected member of the North Fremantle council at the time he was and not be noted... impossible... JarrahTree 02:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG, totally non-notable life. Having a street named after him doesn't establish notability. Mztourist (talk) 03:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails SOLDIER and GNG. Every WWI digger from my suburb who was killed in the war has a street named after him. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per JarrahTree. Deus et lex (talk) 23:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep lots of Australian MM deletions nominations recently with the same reason Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert Percival Schofield, Articles for deletion/William Leahy (Australian Army soldier), Articles for deletion/John William Cotter, Articles for deletion/James Harold Stewart which gives the appearance of this being part of series of WP:POINTY nominations.  Beside war service in WWI and WWII, theres the public officer for the town of North Fremantle, and the leading of a mass vaccination program to address regular epidemic. Perhaps there is better way to discuss this. Gnangarra 06:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: It is far from unusual to be working from a list of NN people, and in any event, every single one of those AfDs closed with unanimous Delete votes. Would you like to proffer a valid keep rationale?   Ravenswing      16:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete MM recipients cannot be assumed to have received sufficient coverage in reliable sources to establish notability, and no such coverage is evident here with the subject's military service being cited almost entirely to primary sources. Having a street named after you is no indicator of notability either - property developers used to name streets after anything they felt like in some parts of Australia, including their family and friends. All up, there's nothing in the article at present which indicates WP:BIO is met, and no additional sources have been identified in the discussion above. Nick-D (talk) 09:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. No WP:SIGCOV. The Military Medal article states over 100,000 were awarded, not everyone can have an article here, I'm sure there are plenty of military databases (including wikis) that can or already do provide coverage. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 12:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails SIGCOV, SOLDIER. Heck, there was a recent AfD where the keep vote hinged on a bridge being named after the subject, but in the (small) city where I live, there are bridges named after city councilors, a long-vanished United Spanish War Veterans post, and a 19 year old private who stepped on a land mine three weeks in country in Vietnam.  In any event, there is no notability standard on Wikipedia for having a street named after you.   Ravenswing      16:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this person fails SIGCOV and SOLDIER. Having a street or whatever named after them isn't enough for notability. So, I see no guideline based reason to have an article about the person. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: The subject does not meet inclusion or notability guidelines. WP:INDISCRIMINATE: "As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." The article makes no claim to anything that would be notable. Fails the WP:SIGCOV portion of WP:GNG: the sources do not discuss the subject in depth. Same for WP:BASIC. WP:BEFORE shows this is a perfectly ordinary person, certainly honorable and hard working, but ordinary and not notable.  // Timothy ::  talk  21:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.