Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Kemp (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus. Courcelles (talk) 23:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Kemp
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Fails notability for a politican. Kemp has held no major offices. While he is active in a minor political party, the British National Party (BNP), he has not received extensive coverage. Relevant material should be moved to the BNP article. TFD (talk) 21:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Debs didn't hold any "major office"  so holding office is not a requirement for notability. Is the article sourced? Yep.   Noted in RSs? Yep.  Despicable? Likely. That is not, however, a reason for deletion of a BLP.   Conclusion on the Jan 2009 AfD was "Keep"   There has been no new reason for deletion at all, hence the prior overwhelming "Keep" consensus is likely to recur. Collect (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please address WP:POLITICIAN. Eugene Debs is not solely or even mostly known for being a political candidate.  Getting 6 % of the vote in a race for President of the United States may establish notability, but being a fringe candidate in a local constituency race does not.  TFD (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you forgot that his primary notability is as a journalist and author - not as a politician? Seems most folks who are not politicians would "fail notability as politicians" . Now examine notability as journalist and author, please.  Collect (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please explain why you believe that Kemp is notable as an author and journalist? TFD (talk) 14:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete He's written books, but have they attracted any outside interest to the level of WP:N? Not that I can see. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The subject may not be notable by the specific guidelines for politicians or authors, but that is irrelevant because the sources in the article from The Guardian and The Independent, along with others easily found such as these books, demonstrate notability per the general notability guideline. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * While I can find many references to Kemp, I cannot find any articles specifically about him or that cover him an any detail. One of the sources for the article for example says that he was seen using a photocopier at a BNP campaign office.  Can you point to any sources that the article could use?    TFD (talk) 23:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just read the sources specifically about Kemp that are already in the article? Phil Bridger (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is very little in those articles and the correct place for the information in them is the BNP article. TFD (talk) 00:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As there is exceedingly little connecting him with the BNP, that article is assredly the precise wrong place to have him end up. The articles on Apartheid opponents whould be where he would be most notable in such a case, but that is a weird thing to do with a sourced BLP indeed. Collect (talk) 12:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the articles are called "BNP's attempt to gain first European seat aided by man linked to ANC leader's killer" and "BNP activist was linked to South Africa murder", they appear to be sources for the BNP. But if as Collect says "there is exceedingly little connecting him with the BNP", then there is no basis for the article.  There are no sources that provide extensive detail about Kemp's opposition to apartheid.  TFD (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of significant coverage in RS. Doesn't meet WP:BIO. Verbal chat  12:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Strong keep. - Absolutely a public figure, extensive authorship. Carrite (talk) 05:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, and clean up article to meet biography of living people and neutral point of view policies. Kemp has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That his views are controversial is not a valid reason for deletion. --Shirt58 (talk) 11:38, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added another reference, there is enough coverage of him to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 07:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Minor figure, revision history shows article is little more than character assassination by obscure and irrelevant political opponents. TheFallenCrowd (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete – Obscure political figure. JamesHilt62 (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.