Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Marshman


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The result was delete both. Jaranda wat's sup 02:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Arthur Marshman

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This is a vanity artacle about someone who doesn't seem to be notable. If you look up the history you can see that its virtually all been done by User:Brookie - all the other contributions seem to be people tidying up rather than adding their own knowledge. Looking into it further, it would seem that the subject of the artacle is Brookie's father - if you look at this page User:Brookie/Wiki connections, Arthur Marshman is listed under "People I am related to" and "Entries with a family connection" - there is also a photo on this page of the church where Brookie got married, and the same photo of the same page is on the Arthur Marshman artacle as "where he (and one of his sons) were married" so I'm pretty 100% sure that this is Brookie's own father we are talking about.

As an aside, putting "and one of his sons" into the artacle is a bit of a sneaky way to list yourself in an artacle! I've tried looking up Arthur Marshman on google and there are under a thousand hits, and all of these seem to be either different people with the same name or artacles on other sites which actually copy the data from this very same wikipeida artacle. So on top of being a vanity artacle I don't think this is a very noteworthy person for an artacle.

It says in the artacle that he founded a company which was at one time about 40 years ago the biggest architectgs in UK, but I can't find any evidence of this and it has been tagged as "fact" and if you look back through the history you can see that twice before this tag has been inserted, and instead of providing the facts to back this up BROOKIE HAS JUST TAKEN THE TAG AWAY AND HOPED THAT NO-ONE WOULD NOTICE. On one ocasion he (or she, but I think its a he as the Arthur Marsham artacle says one of his sons got married at that church, and this seems to be Brookie) has even had the audacity to put in his edit summary that was he did was to "tidy" when what he was doing was taking out the "fact" tag without providing any evidence! That's really out of order behaviour, and Brookie is an administrator who should know better. Here is what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arthur_Marshman&diff=135997584&oldid=135875208 and it suggests that he has no evidence, its just what has been told to him through family hearsay. BonzoBabe 21:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, and another thing. The only source which tries to add any credibility is the link at the bottom to this page: http://www.worldhouseinfo.com/ This page would seem to be set up by Brookie although I have no proof for this, but it really badly skews its attempt to define what a house is by massively focusing on the very house designed by Arthur Marshman, using the same photo as on this page, and all the info about other houses seems to have been taken from wikipedia, and its run from a gmail address, and the whole site seems to serve no purpose other than to provide alleged credence for the Arthur Marshman article. BonzoBabe 21:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I think I'm getting to the bottom of the odd worldhouseinfo.com article - its actually been lifted from an old version http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House&oldid=10525932 of a wikipedia page in which Brookie had added details of Arthur Marshman's "cheese house" to the house page. This has obviously been removed since, but Brookie has then added a link to the Arthur Marshman artacle to a page which has been created using an old version of a wikipedia page on which he had "bigged up" Arthur Marshman's cheese house. All very silly. BonzoBabe 22:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note - added Marshman Warren Taylor to this nomination.  Dei z  talk 12:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete both. Marshman's work is interesting, but that's not the criterion here. I can find just one article in NewBank referring to him: a 2001 property section piece in the Sunday Times about Horton Rounds being up for sale. That really isn't enough. Gordonofcartoon 18:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. What does "Pevsner, Nikolaus, The Buildings of England – Northamptonshire" say about this person? That is a very reliable source and might, just might, demonstrate notability. Could someone in UK check it out. I can not do so in Australia. Until that is checked out, I have no opinion. --Bduke 23:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment the house which is the main feature of the article is apparently the principal author's family home. DGG (talk)`
 * Comment2 The principal author is a respected WP admin, and was apparently not notified. Since some of the comments here are personally critical, there's even more reason to notify than usual, and I have done so. DGG (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it didn't occur to me to notify the author. I'm still learning, and have only recently opened an account instead of editing anon. And I can see now that some of my comments are indeed quite personally critical and I will strike through and retract those. Thanks for your comment. BonzoBabe 10:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete both. He designs nice houses, and has worked on some decent projects, as any architect would hope to do. Beyond that... ? Claims of being the largest practice of the time are unverified and not terribly exciting.  Dei z  talk 11:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete can't see any real notability. More a vanity page than anything else. David Fuchs( talk ) 21:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


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