Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur P. Barnes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Arthur P. Barnes

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Poorly sourced long-term BLP of unclear notability. BLP cleanup - I am neutral. Black Kite 15:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC) 
 * Comment. There was no AfD notice on the article itself — I completed the nomination by placing one there. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The main claim to notability&mdash;the subject's having directed a notable university band for thirty-four-plus years&mdash;is sourced well, such that putative absence of sourcing should not be a dispositive issue here (one may, to be sure, remove the material in the "career" section that is not clearly sourced, although I would note that it seems that a source exists in Stanford Band, which attributes some of the identical material to an article in Rolling Stone). That the subject is notable seems clear to me, but I'll withhold a full WP:MUSIC analysis until I've more time; I mean only to note that this one does not suffer the same defects of the unsourced marginal BLPs with which we are presented of late at AfD.  Joe 21:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 06:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've been working on cleaning up the sourcing today, but the main source (the Stanford Magazine article) had long since been included as an external link in the article, and I suspect that if I had access to the Rolling Stone article I could clear up more of the citation needed tags. In any case, I think we have the multiple reliable sources needed for WP:BIO. As for the other criteria in WP:MUSIC, I think "Has established a tradition or school in a particular genre" fits, with his role in the establishment of LSJUMB as a well-known scatter band. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep director of the Stanford band is notable, quite apart from other parts of his role. It's essentially equivalent to coach of a major athletic team at the university. DGG (talk) 05:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


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