Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arturo Rivera


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn. Refs have been added which indicate notability. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Arturo Rivera

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A non notable individual. There are no refs in the article, just a link to his website. The article details a fairly regular life and wp:before isn't returning anything to satisfy gng. Tagged for notability and relatively few edits over the years. Szzuk (talk) 12:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. A quick web search turns up books written about him, for example Fascinación y vértigo : la pintura de Arturo Rivera and El ojo del fulgor : la pintura de Arturo Rivera.  WorldCat lists "33 works in 57 publications in 2 languages and 298 library holdings" by him.  The Spanish language Wikipedia article on him Arturo Rivera may be useful in expanding the English article (but it doesn't have references to help).  If you're having trouble finding anything about him in a web search, it's probably the language barrier rather than the actual absence of sources.  Slideshow Bob (talk) 13:23, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should keep a WP:BLP with no refs (leaving aside whether those refs satisfy WP:V and WP:N). Szzuk (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep There are plenty of sources WP:NEXIST, eg Pensamiento y arte en los 90, Leonard's Price Index of Latin American Art at Auction , Handbook of Latin American Studies: Humanities , and that's without even looking for articles and reviews in newspapers and journals. WP:BEFORE: "If you find that adequate sources do appear to exist, the fact that they are not yet present in the article is not a proper basis for a nomination. Instead, you should consider citing the sources, ... or at minimum apply an appropriate template to the page that flags the sourcing concern." RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * In the time you took to quote policy you could have added those refs to the article. Szzuk (talk) 05:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I could have, and I often do during AfDs. However, when they are as easily findable as in this case, anyone could add them - it does not need access to subscription services to find and read these sources and add them as citations, as WP:BEFORE suggests. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It is pretty easy to add refs too. (If you believe in them). Szzuk (talk) 07:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, editors are under no obligation to add sources that they find/list at afds, and the above comment is a disservice to editors such as, who carry out the research that, given what has been found above, some nominators apparently cant be bothered with. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Your comment is a personal attack- see WP:NPA. This matter appears resolved so your comment is not helpful. As a result of this conversation I've explicitly stated I've carried out WP:Before on subsequent AfD's. Szzuk (talk) 08:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. There's still work to be done, but I've added some additional citations and links. From the Spanish language research readily available he does appear notable and multiple sources mention his consideration as one of the masters of 20th century Mexican art. The article just needs to be improved by editors who can do Spanish language research. Sdegennaro (talk) 14:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.