Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arturo Rodríguez Quezada


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that the player meets NFOOTY Fenix down (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Arturo Rodríguez Quezada

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

He has yet to play in a fully professional league. Thus he does not meet our ridiculously low inclusion criteria for sportspeople. John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:23, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:59, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:59, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:21, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:27, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - I saw that Pumas Morelos currently play in the third division (not fully-pro) and assumed his appearances for them were in that same division. As he has played in the Ascenso MX he meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 09:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Has yet to play in a fully professional league? Fails WP:NFOOTBALL? That's apart from the 60-odd appearances in the WP:FPL-listed Liga Ascenso/Ascenso MX over a four-year spell from the 2009 Apertura to the 2013 Clausura, as verifiable from the only reference in the article, is it? Struway2 (talk) 10:21, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Struway, he does pass WP:NFOOTBALL per source. Article needs a cleanup for GNG. Govvy (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - article about footballer who made 33 appearances for Pumas' second-tier affiliate (Pumas Morelos), but when I look for significant coverage in the local newspaper (La Unión - www.launion.com.mx) or Mexico's national football magazine (Medio Tiempo - www.mediotiempo.com), I cannot find anything except match reports where Rodríguez is identified in a squad list or where he is mentioned as a new signing. I've always been dubious of the claim that the Mexican second-tier is a fully-pro league, but here we should ignore that presumption of notability when there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. Jogurney (talk) 16:04, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Given it's television coverage, I'm more comfortable that beginning in 2012 Ascenso MX is a fully-pro league, and Rodríguez did made 8 appearances for Pumas Morelos after the 2012 reorganization of the league. However, I still think delete is appropriate for a person making a handful (8) of appearances in a fully-pro league when there is no way to satisfy WP:GNG. There are many examples of this consensus as earlier AfDs. Jogurney (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Is this the same footballer as this link and was involved in this AfD? If so, it appears to pass WP:NFOOTBALL, but this isn't readily apparent from the article. Also, would this link use dmy or mdy for the birthday? That may help determine if they are the same. Jay eyem (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is the same person. Jogurney (talk) 16:47, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep assuming that is the case, I think this does squeak by on WP:NFOOTBALL. I've made updates that reflect that fact. Whether or not that is too accommodating of a criteria is a conversation for a different place, but the individual has played in Liga Ascenso/Ascenso MX which is listed under WP:FPL. Jay eyem (talk) 00:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:NFOOTBALL per above, as any remote amount of WP:BEFORE would have shown. Smartyllama (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually NFOOTBALL provides a presumption of notability if a footballer has played in a fully-pro league. I think the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources for a footballer who so narrowly passes the bright line of NFOOTBALL is sufficient to rebut that presumption (not to mention that the sourcing for the inclusion of Ascenso MX on WP:FPL is quite poor). Jogurney (talk) 16:23, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.