Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arun Budhathoki


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As noted by participants here, the coverage needs to be about a topic before we can write a page on them. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Arun Budhathoki

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As perWP:GNG. The paper deceptively cites a zillion pages which are all articles authored by the subject himself and not the articles discussing the subject so as to establish notability. The page was created by User:Dansong22 which is signed(?) "ArunBudhathoki" making this a suspected autobiography by a user with undisclosed COI (I can't find the declaration). The article is promotional. There are two major contributors to the page, the other being User:Ozar77 who also created related pages Kathmandu Tribune and Nepal Tribune Media (which is currently facing an AfD discussion itself.) I suspect User:Ozar77 is also a sockpuppet or a paid editor (based on a brief perusal of their talk page: potentially lucrative pages that the user has created and discussions that it has elicited and actions taken on them) of the same person Arun Budhathoki. Their talk page is filled with posts suspecting COI, also. Please advise if there's sufficient evidence to suspect that, and if there is, what further actions can be taken. (I apologise if you can't suspect sockputtery publicly like this and I will remove it if that is the case. Appreciate any advice.) Usedtobecool  TALK  05:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Usedtobecool  TALK  05:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions.  Usedtobecool  TALK  05:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions.  Usedtobecool  TALK  05:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions.  Usedtobecool  TALK  05:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence of passing WP:GNG on merit - HalfLifeDelta 12:37, 4 Jun 2019 (UTC)


 * KeepThere are hundreds of wikipages on journalists and writers -- so would you delete all of them? For example there are hundreds of Wikipages like this one Krishna Jwala Devkota so why aren't you deleting it and attacking this page only? DEAR ADMINISTRATONS PLEASE TELL ME WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? About his recent work on The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/profile/arun-budhathoki https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/28/walking-over-bodies-mountaineers-describe-the-carnage-at-the-top-of-mount-everest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.34.68.251 (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)  — 27.34.68.251 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Other stuff exists and/or WP:OTHERCONTENT are not considered valid arguments in a deletion discussion. In other words, if there are articles just as bad, they might deserve a deletion discussion as well. Delete or Keep on one article is not an automatic delete or keep on any arguably similar other articles. Also, I would encourage you to reveal all connected IPs and IDs you might be using to participate on same articles, talk pages and discussions. See WP:Sockpuppet. You should also declare any conflict of interest you have on any article you are contributing to. Usedtobecool  TALK  14:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * To help answer "WHY IS THIS HAPPENING", if you look at the top right of the page you will find a box saying "New to AfD? Read these primers!". The links in there should help explain things. Alsee (talk) 13:33, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * KeepQuestioning The Himalayan Times is so weird...really? Why don't you ask them then whether who wrote it? Your logic is invalid. So does these people qualify to be in Wikipedia? Deepak Adhikari Category:Nepalese journalists Prisoner of an ipad. Arun Budhathoki ISBN 9-788182-500570 2014 Paper pp.64 Rs.195. http://niralapublications.com/publications/ real publisher not fake one and not bought for few dollars as you claim invited by Sharjah Book Fair: https://www.aus.edu/media/news/international-authors-visit-aus-during-sharjah-book-fair interview in Bangladesh newspaper: https://en.rtvonline.com/others/interview/2046/I-dont-write-poems-it-comes-spontaneously-to-me/print — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.34.68.251 (talk) 16:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Opinion:It is clear you have a grudge or some personal issues with the writer or you have been paid by someone to do this. And you wrote this: " I have searched for this person with all search terms I could think of, in Roman as well as Devanagari script. Finally, a fallacious argument: Nor have I or anyone I know of ever heard of him (I should as a resident compatriot)". So you work for The Kathmandu Post prolly a writer who has published book, right? no wonder why you are so obssessed to delete this page...and Why haven't your proposed deletion for these pages then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nepalese_journalists as you are an expert in JOURNALISM AND KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW MEDIA WORKS IN NEPAL. YOU ARE JUST ABUSING YOUR EDITOR POWER. AND I HOPE ADMINISTRATORS WILL NOTICE THIS.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.34.68.251 (talk) 03:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You chose to challenge me here, at one place, where I was actually arguing your side. LOL! In any case, AfD is not a vote, closing administrators always look at the merit of the arguments; and whether contributing editors are taking sides on emotions, with malice, or per COI. If we were all a syndicate of 20 editors conspiring against one person- you, the end result would still go in your favor. Also, editors don't have any powers to abuse. You and I have all the same rights. I don't use my rights to work exclusively on less than half a dozen pages related to one person alone. That is the only difference, one which I'm sure anyone, admin or not, will notice when they but scratch the surface. And, btw, would you like to declare any COI or sockpuppetry at the moment? Usedtobecool  TALK  07:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ReplyYou are on my side? really? that's hilarious...you've been attacking only this page and pages associated to this page...are you uncomfortable now that I have exposed that you work for The Kathmandu Post? Are you acting on behalf of your institution or an individual? Because you are only attacking this page. FYI, I only have access to this username. I know you don't have power to abuse but your persistent motive and your use of English (and I know who writes that way in The Kathmandu Post), and your activism against a journalist doesn't make it so. Can I assume you are a feature editor of The Kathmandu Post? Because your writing style matches his. So are you going to accept you work for The Kathmandu Post as you confessed that you are a 'resident compatriot'. I never challenged you...nor do I care about your LOL because you dodged my question when I said you work for TKP. Now, if you are a journalist too of TKP then say it?.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozar77 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think my English can pass off as that of a "feature editor" of one of the national newspapers of the country, I can see how foreigners would have trouble finding these papers credible. Thanks for the compliment though. Usedtobecool  TALK  10:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you should deny sockpuppeting in exactly the thread where you've been replying to a conversation as two different users. Even when you don't sign your comment, it gets signed by a bot, and here, it is for all to see Ozar77 replying to a conversation with IP 27.34.68.251. Just for your peace of mind though, these articles were brought to my attention by Alsee and my contributions' history will attest to that. Usedtobecool  TALK  10:53, 5 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. This article is at the center of several open AFD's (,, and a redirect placed on Nepali Tribune. There is clear evidence of promotional COI. Of the set of articles, this one comes the closest to a credible claim as Notable. Arun Budhathoki appears to be a reasonably successful reporter, who has done work for a variety of Notable publications. However the profession of reporter does not in itself satisfy our Notability criteria. Our standard for Notability is not whether someone writes, it is whether they are written about by others in Reliable Sources. Arun Budhathoki has also published poetry and fiction, however anyone can buy an ISBN for a few dollars and publish anything. Again, the standard for notability is whether others have written about Budhathoki or written about his work. Reviewing all of the REFs in the article may seem daunting (see WP:BOMBARDMENT), however it is immediately obvious that most of them are written by Budhathoki, and they can quickly be skipped when checking for Notability. Of the potentially Reliable Sources not written by Budhathoki, the best one appears to be thehimalayantimes/Himalayan News Service discussing his poetry. However thehimalayantimes/Himalayan News Service runs blatant promotional press releases, severely undermining any weight it would have as a source for objective independent critical note. Alsee (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Opinion:I trust THT to generally be as accurate as they can in their reporting. Nothing other than news and editorial from Nepali news sources (even the most reputed ones) can be trusted, especially not on online media. However, this was reported as news. It is possible they were paid to count this event as news. Or someone high up might have owed someone favour. It's also as likely that THT needed content to fill the space. However, none of those hypotheses are necessary. The event was reported as news and THT abides by the principles. All the praises are quotes from another attending the event. other things are quote by the primary source. The reporting part was on that event having occurred and the book having been published by Cyberwit. If its a slow news day, Nepali media will cover any event. But, I'd count this one as a news event as covered by THT; without betting significant equity on the proposition that there is no way THT didn't have COI in publishing this one. Either way, all news services have some COI, arguably, on everything they publish. So, we can't make such judgements ourselves. Usedtobecool  TALK  18:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Clearly passes WP:BASIC & WP:AUTHOR, i don't see any reason for this article to be nominated for AfD, I also find that he have enough more content with which the article can be edited and expanded elaborately since his recent Coverage was published and was trending on The Guardian Shringhringshring <sup style="color:orange;">📞 16:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Shringhringshring as I commented above, of the related set of articles I think this comes the closest to being Notable. I'm interested in your comment about coverage, and that the article can be expanded. I might reverse my !vote if you can point me to coverage about Budhathoki. If you are merely referring to coverage-of-an-unrelated-topic which was written by Budhathoki, then that is unhelpful. The profession of reporter does not inherently satisfy our Notability guideline. A reporter becomes Notable when the world takes Note of them, when independent authors write significant content about him and his work. Then we summarize what they say about the subject. Alsee (talk) 13:25, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - No. This individual does not meet WP:BIO,  WP:GNG, WP:NAUTHOR, or WP:JOURNALIST.  I tried finding enough to meet any of the categories with no success. Publishing books, by itself, is not enough.  Having a few republished articles is not enough.  No one is providing WP:SIGCOV of this individual in a WP:RS.  I've just added  to the list of ongoing AfD discussions.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete being a published journalist in itself does not satisfy WP:BIO. I don't see any articles "about" the subject, just articles written by him.  OhNo itsJamie  Talk 01:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - articles written by the subject don't count as reliable sources to establish this subject's notability. One can see that those are the vast majority in this article.  starship .paint  (talk) 13:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * DELETE - A google search did not produce any instances of significant coverage. A news search only provided articles written by the subject, which doesn't count towards notability or every reporter would become notable on their first day. I don't see that subject meets Basic or Author, per above. ogenstein (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


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