Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arushi Talwar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Move to Noida double murder case. Consensus is that an article on the case rather than the murder victim is valid. There is no clear consensus on what the exact title of the article should be so am moving to Noida double murder case. Suggest a discussion takes place on the talk page to decide on a title if editors are unhappy with this name. Davewild (talk) 09:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Arushi Talwar

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the article has no relevance here.It is a sensalization and media hype.Thousands of people die in india by murders est 30,000.that doesnt mean that we should have all the murders listed.

Also accoridng to news there were many double murders after and before the arushi murder.Why dont you list them.


 * According to :-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N#General_notability_guideline

"Presumed" means that substantive coverage in multiple independent reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, of notability. Editors may reach a consensus that although a topic meets this criterion, it is not suitable for inclusion. For example, it may violate what Wikipedia is not.

http://news.google.com/news?&rls=en&q=arushi%20talwar&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn

1) What you get is around 1,732 news stories on this subject.

2) Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati (And one of the biggest Political leader of India) has done a press conference on the Arushi Talwar Murder case.

3) Seniors most police officers handling this case have been demoted / transferred.

4) Women and Child Development Minister Renuka Choudhry have announced that ministry will file defamatory case against the Noida police and transferred officers.

5) There is already an ongoing debate over Media trial / Media Harassment seen in this case.

6) India's premier investigating agency CBI have taken over the case.

7) Similar cases are found to be notable enough, even though thousands of people have been murdered in similar way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenet_Ramsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulshan_Kumar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitish_Katara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyendra_Dubey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priyadarshini_Mattoo

8) And Time magazine has found this case notable enough to do a story on it. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1810162,00.html

9) Notable movie director Mahesh Bhatt and TV production house Balaji Telefilms have shown intent to make movie / tv serial on this case.

Millions of people have died around the world, but people / police / media / politicians have reacted differently to this case. And that is why it is listed on wikipedia. Anmol.2k4 (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

As you said that a movie and a  tv serial is being planned.YOu must realise that the victims mother has gone to the court to seek restraint from making any movie,serial and what if she realizes that her daughters murder story is on  a encyclopedia?.wikipeida is not a news website,its a encyclopedia. One more thing why dont you have the servants murder on a separate page also.Why the bias? I vote to delete this page as it don not conform to wikipedia standards. manchurian candidate 04:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

There are many article similar to this category in wikipedia. One of them is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenet_Ramsey, which follows the wiki standards!!! This article may need edition to remove "Presumed".

I vote AGAINST DELETION.

Sumeetsahu (talk) 07:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 08:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Move to the event per WP:ONEEVENT: "Cover the event, not the person".-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 09:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Anmol.2k4 (talk) 12:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have changed my mind, Move to "Murder of Arushi Talwar and Hemraj" per Notability_(criminal_acts). Anmol.2k4 (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Move per brew  as the article seems to be very clearly about her murder and not about her as a person. And even though I get the feeling it may be one of "those" type of AfDs let me point out that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't reason to keep or delete articles. Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I vote for deletion as the murder is not just of arushi but another person whos article does not exist.Even if it exists its media sensationalisation and wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a news website and this artilce does not conform to wikipeida articles policy.

manchurian candidate 13:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Locobot (talk) 01:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC) Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Move or Keep; notability is made by the sources, and we have plenty of them.--Prosfilaes (talk) 15:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge – as an example into an article concerning the circumstances and controversy surrounding the investigation with regards to the growing sensationalism in the Indian media. In and of themselves, the individual does not warrant an article. ShoesssS Talk 16:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Move to Noida double murder case, an article about the double murder of the 14 year old girl and the Nepalese servant Hemraj (who is male per ). It could also be called [Arushi Talwar-Hemraj double murder]]. Hemraj's real name was "Yam Prasad Banjade" and Hemraj was an alias, per .  Editors from India or Nepal could better advise as to how his name should appear.Noida double murder is a term which has been widely used to refer to this crime. . The victims were not notable, but the crimes perhaps were, since the incident got lengthy coverage  in Time (magazine)  across the world in the U.S. It is notable in that the police have been criticized widely for the practice of blaming of a child victim, and police were apparently reassigned after they failed to adequately investigate the crime scene, missing a trail of blood leading to the body of the second victim. The case was sensationalized by the Indian press, with breathless round the clock coverage full of lurid speculation. The nation's unusual degree of interest in the case has itself been covered by the press  . Edison (talk) 17:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.