Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aryan Saha (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Userfied. Strictly speaking, consensus was to delete, but the primary author requested it be userfied, which doesn't seem unreasonable. I've moved it to User:Aryan Saha/Aryan Saha. please read WP:Autobiography. While I've granted your request to have this put in your sandbox, please note that autobiographies are generally viewed in a negative light and you should not be surprised if future attempts to restore this to main article space encounter pushback. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * PS, I apparently got confused about who requested the page be userfied and moved it to the wrong user space. Please feel free to just move it to where it's supposed to be, or ask me and I'll do it for you.  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Aryan Saha
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A Screenwriter is not something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia, unless they write several scripts or meet basic GNG. In this case, the subject fails at both end. He has so far worked on only two notable film - one is not even released yet. Search doesn't produce any coverage and substantial information in the independent RS about the person either so fails to meet basic GNG.. Therefore I can't see any significance, Saqib (talk) 09:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Exemplo347 (talk) 10:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Exemplo347 (talk) 10:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Nothing has changed since the last AfD except they're working on another film, which is their job. Run of the Mill stuff. Exemplo347 (talk) 10:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and WP:TOOSOON. GSS (talk |c|em ) 11:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Dear sir, all of you, thank you for reviewing the page and putting across your opinion. I am not sure if i am replying in the right place, i am not finding any other way to reach you all. I will be little informal here so please pardon my ignorance. The original person (called editor?) who suggested the deletion of the page created by me states that "A Screenwriter is not something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia, unless they write several scripts or meet basic GNG" Dear Saquib sir, nowhere on wikipedia i am finding it expressively (or implied) mentioned that a screenwriter is not something (sorry to correct you but s/he is not "something" but "someone". Do not demean a profession (more importantly passion) just because you dont find worth it.) so let me rephrase it, you say that - Screenwriter is not something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia. Why sir? Whats the basis of your argument? Is a Screenwriter any less than a director? or producer? Mind you, he is the once who conceives it all. He starts from zero. I hope you know the value of zero? when it comes after a number it increases its value but if you look at it without a number, well it is nothing. So basically it is all about how you see it or in other words it is about perspective. So even though i dont agree with your very first argument (read baseless), i still respect it. Then you go on to say that search doesnt yield "any" coverage and substantial information. Sir may i know where/how do you search or from which part of world? I hope google works in your region because the "news" search criteria of google is filled with the subjects news all over the media. IF being covered by International Media house like BBC, CNN, National newspapers like times of india, Asian Age is not authentic / sufficient, i dont know what else is. i really dont know. The writer is not just a prestigious award winner but a creative and executive producer of many indian films. His fragmented details are found around the net in new and old archives alike. In my last update i have added some more sources like BBC, IDBI, CNN.

Being a wikipedia beginner and an aspiring actor myself, i know the value of someone's writing. Whatever little i have edited till now, have all been in this category only. I really cant believe that in todays world someone can say that a screenwriter doest deserve a wikipedia page unless he has written several scripts (your words). Sir i looked at wikipedia archives very carefully and came to the understanding that even "one" script is enough if it has released to a wide audience and created a significant news. Sir do you know what impact this film is having on people? The number of awards it has won? Not for nothing every big media house has covered it. To put it simply, it is all over media, be it print or television or digital. Sir this page may be deleted in a week and will add to your laurels. Just curiously i looked into your past history and i was astonished by the number of articles you have propsed for deletion. pardon me, i am new so i dont know these techniques to move up the ranks by deleting articles. If you are honestly doing it great sir but if not please introspect. Wikipedia has to expand (ofcouse with authentic sourced information) do not make it a platform where beginners are scared to contribute.

This same page was deleted two years back citing no source, now it again meets the same fate despite having more than enough source. ok sir i put my hands up. I am not contesting it.

Now next one. Dear Exemplo347, Sir let me take the liberty of reproducing your words "Nothing has changed since the last AfD except they're working on another film, which is their job. Run of the Mill stuff." Let me be more specific with the line i want you to focus on " they're working on another film, which is their job. Run of the Mill stuff" Sir will you mind if i ask you to please learn basic courtesy first before typing on that keyboard again? --Working on another film, which is their job. Run of the mill stuff. Sir this is not another job. When people like you pass out from college and go to a 9 to 5 work and earn regular salary for every 30/31 days of work, an artist (be it actor / writer / whatever) is suffering somewhere in this world because he is surviving on the only thing s/he has. you know what that one thing is? it is hope. For many many years you have to work for free, for many many years you have to convince your stomach that it is full when it is not, for many many years you have to tell your parents, wife, children that everything will be fine one day. And for only 1% that one day comes. After so many years of struggle, a film releases and you kill all the hopes saying "Run of the mill stuff". Sir sorry but do you know what run of the mill is ? It is people like you who do the same thing day after day. For artists every day is different. I doubt you ever had any dreams or even if you had, you gave them wings to fly. You sound too "run of the mill" and i wouldnt be surprised if you life is going to the office and back home, taking out the keyboard and commenting "run of the mill" somewhere. anywhere. If it pleases you, why not sir.

Now the last one -- Dear GSS, you said that it is WP:TOOSOON. you are the only one who makes sense. yes it may be too soon and as a 2 year old / occasional wikipedia editor i might have made the mistake of creating this page too soon. From whatever i knew and read from the wikipedia policies, i adhered to the rules and did every step (referencing and layouts) accordingly. Unfortunately because of my mistake someone else's page will be deleted.

Thank you all for taking out time to review the page. I am not contesting your decision. if it is against the rules, kindly delete it.

Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikirecord (talk • contribs) 17:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Please keep your comments short & to the point during this discussion. My mind has not been changed, although I do now suspect that you are an editor with a Conflict of Interest that you have not declared. Please read WP:COI. Exemplo347 (talk) 20:16, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Question for Can you please confirm for me if the current version of this article is the same as the version you deleted after the previous AfD discussion, when you get the time? Exemplo347 (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure if working in the same film industry (Hindi / India) comes under conflict of interest. I read the WP:COI thoroughly but since i am not connected with the subject in any way except he is a writer and i am an actor working in same language films, i doubt if it is COI. I have neither worked with him nor know him in person. If you confirm that working in the same profession comes under COI, i will declare it immediately Wikirecord (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:06, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Re deleted article: The deleted article had fewer and different sources than the current. I am not even entirely certain it's about the same person, although it's highly likely. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:10, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Keep The page should be kept as all the reference sources provided now are independent of the subject, since the reference sources that violated WP:GNG have been removed. Also, his recent work is significantly covered in the media by BBC, CNN (Network 18) and other reputed print and digital publications. Three films and an award for his work fulfills WP:N, WP:ENT, WP:BIO and WP:GNG. --Pramitha Nair (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Suspiciously wide knowledge of Wikipedia's policies for a new editor. I see that your user page states you work for a PR firm. You are required to declare your conflict of interest per WP:COI. Please do so now. Exemplo347 (talk) 08:57, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, I don't work for a PR firm. I work for an advertising firm where my work entails managing digital communication for a software company, which is in no way related to this. Hence, I have no conflict of interest here. I just happened to chance upon the page while searching for a similar name & decided to help. Secondly, I have a 'suspiciously wide knowledge of Wikipedia's policies for a new editor' because I did adequate research & learned by trial & error, which you will know if you check my editing history. Thirdly, neither of the points you mentioned negate the fact that the article now fulfills WP:N, WP:ENT, WP:BIO and WP:GNG, and hence deserve to be kept. --Pramitha Nair (talk) 09:16, 25 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 21:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or as a second choice userfy. Contrary to the nomination, a screenwriter can be notable, but like pretty much anyone else, their notability must be established by means of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Several of the sources cited in this article don't even mention Aryan Saha's name, as far as I can tell, and some of the other sources merely mention in a single sentence that he was the co-writer of a film, with no other information about him provided. I don't see significant coverage of him yet. If anyone wants to have this article moved to their userspace until there is some significant coverage of Saha to establish his notability, that would be fine with me. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:17, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Per Wikirecord's request below, I suggest that the article be moved to their userspace. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:12, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Request Since i am not that experienced can one of the admins please move the page to my userspace so that i update it with future developments --Wikirecord —Preceding undated comment added 07:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


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