Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asahi Corp. (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Redirect to Asahi. Redirects are cheap. Since this is Articles for deletion, if the folks want further action on Category:Asahi Corporation, I suggest that they either try to form a consensus if they want to rename the article, or nominate it for deletion at Categories for discussion if they want it deleted. Deathphoenix ʕ 04:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Asahi Corp.

 * Articles for deletion/Asahi Corp.

First "speedy keep" closure was overturned at DRV as out of line, so I'm relisting this again. The company mentioned might be The Asahi Shimbun Company, which holds one half third of TV Asahi, but it's not clear from the context, so the article might require some research. Procedural listing, withholding my opinion for now. ~ trialsanderrors 21:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * May I suggest that Category:Asahi Corporation also be considered along with this afd. It appears to have similar issues of possible confusion Bwithh 23:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete article and category as inaccurate and confusing original research. If Asahi Shimbun holds 34% (not one half, old chap) of the voting rights of TV Asahi, then by definition, TV Asahi cannot be part of the same corporation as Asahi Shimbun - it is a minority stake. I also cannot find an "Asahi Corporation" on google which combines these companies. TV Asahi is known as the "TV Asahi Corporation" and Asahi Shimbun (newspapers) is "The Asahi Shimbun Company". It's a little bit like writing an article about Acme Group for all the Acme-named companies out there as if they were all sister companies. There does seem to be an Asahi Corporation out there related to the fabric industry but this not seem to be related to the media companies. But I don't think the fabric company is encyclopedically notable. Bwithh 23:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I bow to Bwithh's superior research skills. Looks like 1/3 of the share holdings are not listed on the TV Asahi site.
 * Comment: Japanese corporate structures are a nightmare. I'm not an expert, but as I understand it, until a few years straight-up holding companies were actually illegal (post-war reforms to break up the zaibatsu), and Japanese corporate groups relied upon interlocking boards and swapped stock (as in, Bank A owns 30% of Company B, and Company B owns 30% of Bank A). Don't hold me to this, as it's been years since I paid much attention to Japanese business and I never followed it very closely to begin with. This would take some serious research to set straight, so try posting something at the Japan noticeboard. --Calton | Talk 23:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that Takafumi Horie's takeover attempt of FujiTV last year was based on exploiting something like that (companies owning parts of companies who own them). Neier 04:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. Appears to be a parent corporation like many Japanese conglomerates. I don't see why it would fail to qualify for inclusion. It is also quite a large company. Category is a bit much, I guess that can be deleted. If we delete the article, then we would have to keep the category to interlink the subs' respective articles. Nlsanand 00:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The discussion is about whether this article is an accurate or misleading portrayal of the company, specifically whether this company actually IS a conglomerate. The discussion is not what it "appears" to be, which is never a good basis for afd discussions Bwithh 04:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as redundant and confusing. The single articles of the companies that own this are the only thing needed to demonstrate it's link to the company. Daniel.Bryant 00:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete article and category for complete and utter failure of WP:V. However, if anyone can get some cites for this thing, I'll happily change my vote. --Aaron 00:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- Tued99 02:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge, DAB portions to Asahi Shimbun; and Rename the category. What a mess.  The newspaper company owns the TV station, and several other companies, although Asahi Corp. or 朝日株式会社 doesn't seem to be used anywhere -- the parent name seems to be Asahi Shimbun.  A list of sub-entities to the newspaper can be found here (sorry, Japanese only).  Several other companies in Japan are known by Asahi, but have no (obvious/reported) connection to the newspaper company.  So, a DAB page should be left here, with most of the info in the bottom half of the current article.  (Asahi Glass, Asahi soft drinks, etc).  The category is valid, but needs renamed per the reasoning above. Neier 04:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But why would the category be valid if it includes unrelated companies? Bwithh 04:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The three entries in that category besides Asahi Corp. are all under the Asahi Shimbun umbrella. I think it is likely that there could be new articles for several of their TV stations, and a few more of their newspapers and magazines.  That's why I think the category could stay. Neier 04:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete or Redirect to Asahi, which already lists Asahi Shimbun and TV Asahi. The ownership of TV Asahi can be included as a one-liner in Asahi Shimbun. I agree that a category "Companies named Asahi" doesn't make much sense either. ~ trialsanderrors 04:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment changing my DAB vote to redirect to Asahi as outlined below by Trialsanderrors. I also tagged the relevant TV stations and broadcasting groups so that they are in the Category:Asahi Corporation category (the stations are owned in part by Asahi Shimbun).  After this AFD closes, I will submit a CFD to rename it Category:Asahi Shimbun.  If the category should be deleted, it should be discussed there, not here. Neier 14:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that works fine. ~ trialsanderrors 17:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Asahi per TaE. Eusebeus 15:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


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