Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asahi Firearms


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 11:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Asahi Firearms

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Original PROD rationale: Did not locate any substantive sources on a search. The Japanese wiki article is sourced entirely to blogs/commercial sellers, so none of those sources are suitable. When I tried to search the Japanese name (アサヒファイアーアームズ) I got nothing but marketplace listings.

Article was de-PROD'd but no actual reliable sources have been added. CollectorAirsoft.com is a sales website and is not reliable, and WWII Guns appears to be an enthusiast blog, also not an RS. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Firearms,  and Japan. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow. Looking at this edit, just wow. It's moves like this, and the lovely note left on my talk page that make wikipedia a fun and interesting place to edit. --evrik (talk) 23:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Moves like what? Removing unsourced, machine-translated content that you yourself tagged with a CN tag? And leaving a note reminding you that the addition of unsourced and/or machine translated content is generally to be avoided? If anyone here should be saying "wow" here, it's me, that an editor with your tenure and edit count should need reminding of basic policies like WP:V. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Not only did you leave me a nasty note, but you left some pithy comments in the edit history. Oh, and then not only did you revert, but you escalated by moving this to AFD. A clear example of Don't be a jerk. --evrik (talk) 04:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I left an explanation of my edit, as is expected for an edit summary. I'm sorry that my accurate description of the content as unsourced and machine translated was problematic for you. And of course I took it to AfD - I didn't locate any sources on a BEFORE search, and you hadn't added any. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't be a jerk. Again. --evrik (talk) 04:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Calling me a jerk for explaining things to you in a calm and forthright manner is hardly an effective argument for keeping the article. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I'm calling you jerk for leaving a nasty note on my talk page, leaving aggressive edit summaries and escalating the prod into an AFD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by evrik (talk • contribs)
 * It is deeply ironic for you to be making personal attacks while accusing me of being rude and aggressive. I hope you strike that comment. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep article has been expanded and sourced. It needs some more work, but it is a good start. --evrik (talk) 04:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The sources that you've added are primarily unreliable blogs and commercial sales sites. The Tokyo PD source is reliable, but is hardly significant coverage about the company. None of it meets WP:CORPDEPTH, so none of it contributes to a claim of notability in line with WP:NCORP. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * When I did the 5x expansion I went with the available sources. --evrik (talk) 04:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Right, and the point I'm making is that none of the available sources meet the criteria for supporting a claim to notability. Hence, my argument that the article should be deleted as not meeting our notability guidelines. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps if had waited longer than 15 minutes for me to expand the article, we wouldn't be having this discussion, right? --evrik (talk) 03:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No? Because regardless of how much you expand the article, notability depends on the availability of reliable sources. Which you have still, after two days and lots of arguing, failed to produce. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I can't see much in the way of reliable sourcing from a search, and certainly the sourcing used in the ja-wiki is not up to scratch, and machine translation shouldn't be used for this sort of thing where the language structure is very different. Finally, I would ask Evrik to desist from personal attacks towards PMC. Sure, the note on your talk page could have been a little friendlier, but that's no excuse to start throwing insults around; and on the underlying issue with the machine translation, they're correct. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete since subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. This is about the subsidiary of a corporation, a corporation that is not even notable enough itself. One could not even invoke hereditary privileges. What's probably confusing is the existence of so many unrelated Asahis. -The Gnome (talk) 16:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


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