Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asahi Takebe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of Tenchi Muyo! characters.  MBisanz  talk 00:16, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Asahi Takebe

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I tend to be on the inclusionist side when it comes to fiction, but I draw the line at separate articles for minor characters. Those should be included in thew list of characters. Old merge tags suggest that this is one of several articles that have been proposed to be merged to (non existent at this point) List of Tenchi Muyo! characters. I think this is a good idea, and I hope this merge ends up with such a list being created from the articles nominated here: Asahi Takebe, Kazuma Kagato, Hiwa Takahashi. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 22:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If the nominator is not actually proposing deletion of the articles, then I suggest a speedy keep under WP:SK ("The nominator withdraws the nomination or fails to advance an argument for deletion—perhaps only proposing a non-deletion action such as moving or merging"). AfD nominations are for when an article cannot be salvaged in any way. It is not the place to propose mergers or other non-deletion actions. —Farix (t &#124; c) 23:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop wikilawyering. I am proposing a deletion, with the compromise outcome of merging the content within a list. This is a valid proposal, just like a Merge vote would be. The articles, IMHO, don't meet notability in a stand alone format, which leads to this deletion discussion, but could be saved through a merger, and saying this does not invalidate this AfD. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Piotrus, I think Farix's comment is in no way wikilawyering. Your original nomination makes no indication that you think deletion is an acceptable outcome, instead stating that you hope the content will be merged into a list.  If your preferred outcome is to have a merger, then you should not have created an AFD, but instead should have merged the content (or started a merge discussion if you think merging would be controversial).  While merging is one possible outcome of a deletion discussion, it is not correct to start an AFD in order to propose a merger.  On the other hand, if your preferred outcome is for the articles to be deleted without being merged, but a merger would be acceptable to you as well, then starting an AFD was appropriate (but I don't read your comments as preferring deletion).  Anyway, if you would like these articles placed into a list of characters, I would recommend you withdraw this AFD and get to work merging things into a List of Tenchi Muyo! characters.  Personally, I strongly support the creation of a List of Tenchi Muyo! characters, but I'm uncertain if the characters you have listed here are significant enough to the franchise to be included. Calathan (talk) 22:12, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, let me be clear. I think both deletion and merger are acceptable. Since a meger has been present on the target articles for years, and nobody cares to do it, I am escalating this to deletion. PS. I mention merge in some of my AfDs, like here, and it never was a problem before... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 22:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Nominator articulates an appropriate merger, which invalidates deletion as an acceptable outcome per WP:ATD, since he admits his objection can be fixed through regular editing--to wit, a merge. Why not just do the merge and abandon the AfD? Character lists for notable fictional franchises are pretty bog-standard. Jclemens (talk) 02:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, in this case, the nominated articles are really minor. I am here because I am not sure if they even deserve any serious mention on a list. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:28, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Uncited. - personal commentary - not notable -  You  really  can  05:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: I can't find any reliable sources that discuss the subject with any depth; Is anyone able to do a search for sources in Japanese? If we want to keep, we'll have to establish that independent, reliable sources have taken note of the subject. --Batard0 (talk) 07:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 17:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)




 * Redirect to Tenchi Muyo!. Some of the content of these article are salvageable for a character list when it is created. The redirect will at least preserve the past contributions and allow a future editor a bases to work when they create the character list. However, the nominator really hasn't give rationale as to why deletion is better over other methods, such as merge or redirect, beyond the fact that they are neglected. The fact that no one has not gotten around to creating the character list and merging these articles into it doesn't mean that deletion is a valid option. The fact is, there is no deadline to merge articles so long as there is still a valid reason to merge the articles. Editors should not be "escalating" merge proposals to deletion proposals unless there are reason that a merge is not an appropriate outcome. —Farix (t &#124; c) 01:21, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Tenchi Muyo! per TheFarix. It's better to leave it as a mention in the article's character section in order to not give undue weight to too much fancruft, and also since these characters aren't the subject of much reliable coverage. If the character list becomes long enough, then it can be split off. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to List of Tenchi Muyo! characters, I think Redirecting this will just prolong the process, might as well get the character pages merged now to avoid any more AfDs with the character articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge as suggested above into a List of Tenchi Muyo! characters, without prejudice to recreate any character if it can be proven worthy of a separate article.--  十  八  21:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.