Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asaki Akiyo


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The result was moved to Death of Asaki Akiyo. Consensus is now clear. BD2412 T 01:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Asaki Akiyo

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Fails notability policy per WP:ONEEVENT. Generally city council members are not notable for their political careers, and this particular politician is only notable for a shoplifting scandal leading to her suicide. 4meter4 (talk) 22:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 06:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 06:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 06:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Tokyo city is a prefecture (i.e. state/province level), so membership of its legislature counts under N:POL. If that fails (say, she's actually a councillor of a subdivision of the city), then Move to Suicide of Asaki Akiyo. The media coverage around the event and the subsequent defamation charges seem likely to make this notable. The Japanese language article is enormous and has 144 refs. Furius (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment – I have no opinion on notability, but I just wanted to note that WP:NPOL doesn't apply. By its terms, the provincial-legislator provision of NPOL only applies to federal states, not unitary ones like Japan. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Surely the prefectural system counts under the "or similar" part of that guideline? Furius (talk) 15:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheChronium  09:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Given that we aren’t likely to get much more input, I would be ok with a move to Suicide of Asaki Akiyo for the sake of closing out this nom and reaching a consensus if that is ok with .4meter4 (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with that. Furius (talk) 16:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment the provincial-legislator provision of NPOL only applies to federal states, not unitary ones like Japan. That's not a quite correct interpretation of NPOL; there are quite a number of non-federal states with sub-national parliamentary jurisdictions whose members satisfy NPOL, eg Faroe Islands, Åland, Curaçao, Zanzibar. There's also cases such as the French conseils régional or the Indonesian Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat Daerah (especially since the fall of the Orde Baru and the reforms of the late 90s) which sit in an undetermined (AFAIA?) area vis à vis NPOL. --Goldsztajn (talk) 21:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I did find a brief discussion of the French regional councils and NPOL; you can read it here. Everyone there seemed to agree that members of the regional councils didn't meet NPOL because they lacked substantial discretion to decide policy. (See also this AfD, which followed the same premise.) Broadly speaking, I'd say the same reasoning applies to Japan: our article states that the prefectures only exercise delegated power subject to the ultimate oversight of the central government. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , am in heated agreement with regard to prefectures and Japan. I was just trying to emphasise that a unitary state is not per se exclusionary of having subnational parliamentary bodies that meet NPOL as my cases of Denmark, Finland, Netherlands and Tanzania demonstrate.  Thanks for the link on the discussion regarding France, will read through it.  Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Move to Death of Asaki Akiyo because the article and the jawiki one focus on her death and contain little info about her life. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  07:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Move not clear to me that death is better than suicide for the title (is there anything more than conspiracy theory that suicide was not the cause of death?), but leave that to others to conclude. There's a fair amount of bumpf sourcing in the Japanese language article, but also clearly enough RS (I can at least see pieces from the Japan Times, Daily Yomiyuri and Asahi Weekly). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Move agree that the article is more about her death.
 * Move per Goldsztajn. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


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