Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ascendants


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The result was   delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:29, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Ascendants

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This is a non-notable film series that seems to still be in development. Although the premise sounds interesting, reliable sources have not taken notice of it, and it seems to fail WP:NFF. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand the confusion. The series is ongoing and being shown in festivals as well as being distributed online. The first episode is widely available online and was a finalist at the Hollyshorts Film Festival (One of the top film festivals according to Moviemaker Magazine). It premiered at the famous Hollywood TCL Chinese Theater (formerly Grauman's) - no small feat! :) In addition, the principals of the film (the director, director of photography) are of some note in the East Coast film community (see IMDB citations). In addition, principal actor Johnny Lee Davenport has had a notable career, acting in TED, The Fugitive, US Marshalls, etc. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0202612/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisneelix (talk • contribs) 01:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you point to any coverage in reliable sources? I tried checking Google, but I couldn't find anything.  Examples of reliable sources would include Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, Screen International, etc.  You can find a non-comprehensive list at WikiProject Film.  Specifically disallowed sources would include the IMDB, blogs, and other websites with user-generated content.  Basically, we need evidence that professional journalists that have provided significant coverage. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses. News about Ascendants has been covered (and it's program documented on Archive.org) by Citywide Blackout (https://archive.org/details/CitywideBlackout-theAscendantsJoHenleyHomelessInACollegeTown) and this week on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/brian-the-hammer-jackson/2014/05/05/movie-monday-the-historian-meets-aimy-in-a-cage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisneelix (talk • contribs) 03:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC) Wikisneelix (talk) 03:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)Wikisneelix
 * Unfortunately, those look like blogs, but I admit that I'm not overly familiar with them. If you're involved in the production, the first thing I'd suggest you do is read our guideline on conflicts of interest; it's difficult to write neutrally about topics in which you're involved.  Second, I'd suggest that you work on publicizing it to Film Threat, Twitch Film, and Dread Central, "genre film" websites that generally focus on smaller independent films.  We consider them to be reliable sources, and, if they run stories on it, you'd have a much better chance of keeping this article.  Your concept sounds interesting, and I'm sure you could build up online hype if you just went to the right websites. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. There just isn't any true coverage of this film series at all. Other than some coverage in places that can't really be used as a RS, there isn't anything to show that the films are notable in the slightest. I'd normally recommend redirecting to the author's page, but I can't see where he passes notability guidelines either. I'm going to nominate him for deletion shortly. I have a strong feeling that there is a COI here as well, so I'd like to second NPR's comments about reading our COI policy. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete due to lack of coverage from reliable sources. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 05:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per not having the coverage to meet WP:NF. As parts of the concept series have been released and more is still under development and production, I would be okay with the article being userfied back to its author and he be instructed as to what constitutes notability and reliable sources. Allow undeletion and return only when notability criteria are met.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 08:33, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge to Don Schechter, if we keep the target, which is also up for AfD. For directors of barely notable or lesser-known films, we have tended (although not always) to merge their works into one article. Bearian (talk) 16:22, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
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