Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashes Remain


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 12:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Ashes Remain

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No evidence of notability. The only reference is to allmusic, which does nothing more than list the title of an album by this group. No evidence of notability elsewhere, either. (Article was deleted after RHaworth put a PROD on it, the reason given as "no evidence of notability". The article has been recreated, but still has no evidence of notability.) JamesBWatson (talk) 10:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and SALT: Third or fourth string Christian rock band of no demonstrable notability (their sole album placed 25th on the Christian music lsit). Google hits are exclusively mentions in Christian music blogs and publications with a tiny readership, mostly concert dates and other trivial and routine coverage. The few interviews on blogs give no indication of notability. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * BIG KEEP: I found two newspaper sources one a bio spot in the Houston Chronicle and another of them getting coverage of being on tour with a Grammy Nominated band Fireflight in The Greenville Advocate. So this passes MUSICBIO, under criteria Nos. 1, 2 and 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HotHat (talk • contribs) 16:03, 30 April 2012‎
 * Note: HotHat is a single purpose account that promotes Christian rock bands. Elton Bunny (talk) 16:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Side-Note: I am not in the interest of promoting Christian rock bands or anything to deal with anything for that matter. I have a deep love for Christian music in general, but I do not work for in any way the industry. I am only a mere fan of the artists that I create articles for. I see to it that I make painstaking efforts in making notable articles, not fluff. I was only helping out here and on 7eventh Time Down, for the shear fact the articles were created and I said heck why not with my skills and expertise in the area of individual artists see if I could not achieve notability for these as well. I don't even know 7eventh Time Down or have ever listened to their music, but I have to come clean I am a lover of Ashes Remain, which I have their CD on my computer. I am a lover not a promoter, just a fan and wikipedia contributor showing the love for this encyclopedia and the areas of interest in my life. By the way, if you have access to Academic One File you can look at the charts that I sourced.HotHat (talk) 04:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. One of the articles that HotHat mentions has just one passing mention of Ashes Remain. The other one gives a bit more, but is not substantial coverage in multiple sources. In any case, notability is not inherited by "being on tour" with a notable band. Yes of course you can find something on virtually any band if you look on Google, but what has been found id nothing like enough to show notability. Elton Bunny (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well then, I guess what would be enough for notability in your eyes in the RULES?HotHat (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, based on the following combination of factors: the Houston Chronicle article, a Cross Rhythms article , reviews of the album from what appear to be notable sources within the genre , and the group's Dove Award nomination . That's enough to satisfy WP:BAND.  Gongshow  Talk 17:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per the sources found by User:Gongshow, which enable it to meet WPBAND. Also, as a concerned editor: User:EltonBunny, calling people SPAs when they're not (I checked the edit history) is not particularly WP:CIVIL. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 19:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.