Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashes to Ashes (Apoptygma Berzerk song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 08:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ashes to Ashes (Apoptygma Berzerk song)

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Non notable single from a demo album. No notability Richhoncho (talk) 23:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 02:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete: I would say it's notable due to it being the first single the band released from their first ever collection of professionally recorded material and therefore an important part of their history. Furthermore, Ashes to Ashes is one of the band's signature songs and is important to their catalogue. Lagozzino (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and Merge : Sorry but the WP definition of "notable" is different than "of historical interest." The song is not appearing in reliable sources as a notable entity in its own right. Also per WP:ALBUMS demo albums are usually not notable enough to merit their own articles, so the that can be extended to the songs in a demo album. Text of historical interest can be merged to the band's article (and sourced). D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 21:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Don't merge and delete — while I have no opinion on keeping or deleting or merging, a combination of deletion and merging violates our licensing policies. Nyttend (talk) 04:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it was common to merge background supporting text on an album (actually a single with B-sides in this case) to the appropriate section of the history in the band's article. Then it would be acceptable to delete the track-by-track information along with the rest of the album article. That is what I am suggesting here; possibly I am misusing the technical definition of "merge." D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 15:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That was my understanding of your comment. I am actually quite interested in how it "violates our licensing policies" especially with a wikilink. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Licensing requires us to preserve a complete edit history, for attribution purposes. If we merge text from article X into article Y, the authors of article X are now also authors of article Y.  Deletion makes it impossible for anyone who's not an administrator to view the edit history of page X; consequently, it's impossible for the average reader to know the identities of all of the authors of page Y.  A proper merge includes two pieces: (1) copying the text of page X into the text of page Y, along with a note (either in the edit summary or at the talk page) that it's being copied from page X, and (2) a conversion of page X into a redirect to page Y.  Nyttend (talk) 23:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your response. WP:Merging says, "Merging&mdash;regardless of the amount of information kept&mdash;should always leave a redirect or, in some cases, a disambiguation page in place. This is often needed to allow proper attribution through the edit history for the page the merged text came from. Superfluous redirects do not harm anything, and can be helpful in finding articles, e.g. from alternative names." I will remember this for future reference. Thanks again. --Richhoncho (talk) 04:57, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, now my vote is just plain old Delete. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 00:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Moot? - the album page has been deleted, per the AfD discussion here. So per WP:ALBUMS if the album is non-notable then so is this song and the article should be deleted immediately. D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 02:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.