Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashlee Faul


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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 09:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Ashlee Faul

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PROD from User:Geschichte removed with reason ''According to its article, this is the top-level national league. By insisting that it is not "professional", you are making the sexist argument that women can never be notable in this sport.''

Even if we argue that Faul does just about pass WP:NFOOTY, we rarely keep even male footballer articles that scrape through NFOOTY when WP:GNG is so comprehensively failed. Spiderone 08:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The illogical, disruptive and attacking deprodding argument aside, an amateur soccer player who played three games in his or her entire career can never have a place in an encyclopedia. Unless that someone got coverage which is remembered 10-20 years on. About one hundred men's top-level national leagues are also not notable. Geschichte (talk) 09:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Nothing illogical about what Spiderone did. The league is professional and has been since 2007. You giving it an amateur tag repeatedly doesn't make it true and does come off as sexist when the league is clearly a professional league as sourced. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Faul fails WP:NFOOTY and utterly fails WP:GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep for the same reason I already gave at Articles for deletion/Angela Fimmano. Her league is the top league in her country. Insisting that only a "fully professional" league should count, whatever that is supposed to mean, imposes a biased double standard in which nothing a women does is considered good enough, while men are still considered notable by playing only one professional game. That standard is bigoted and wrong. We should either keep this article as someone who reached the highest available pinnacle of her sport, or get rid of NSPORT and consider all athletes properly under GNG on an individual basis, not starting by nominating only womens-league athletes. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * To be honest, even a male footballer that barely scrapes through on NFOOTY would still need to pass GNG. I'm not sure what the rationale is to keep Ashlee Faul. If she passes GNG, keep. If she doesn't, delete. Spiderone  17:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 21:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The current football notability guidelines are absurd as it is, we do not need to lessen them. Wikipedia is not meant to correct wrongs but follow real world coverage, and the real world reality is that female footballers get less coverage. Wikipedia is not the place to unilaterally try to change this situation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


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