Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashlee Simpson on MADtv

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Article already deleted. Joyous 17:07, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Ashlee Simpson on MADtv
Sigh. More AshleeCruft. RickK 09:10, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. Well-written, coherent article, but hopelessly unencyclopedic. -- Curps 09:15, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd agree. Non notable. --Woohookitty 09:19, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree. Muya 09:21, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete trivia. -- Hoary 09:37, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)
 * Delete: subtrivial fancruft. Wile E. Heresiarch 09:41, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * delete isn't she getting old yet. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 09:42, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is insanity. Ambi 11:09, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Enough with Asslee already! Inter 12:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Please. - Vague | Rant 13:15, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete kill the Ashleecruft, or at best beat this article down to a sentence or two and slip it into the main Ashlee article. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 13:20, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * This is disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. Make the point to the editors concerned, and without using sockpuppets. Don't involve everyone, like this.  Delete. Uncle G 13:56, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)
 * The article is to this point entirely the creation of, and the sole creation or contribution of, User:Zzzz, in case anybody felt inclined to blame Everyking. Delete; I'm with Uncle G in suspecting disruption. Samaritan 14:07, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trivia.  --BM 14:13, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete angrily as someone having fun at my expense, and giving more attention to bad jokes than is warranted. Everyking 17:51, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is not wikipedia's job to describe comedy skits in detail. A sentence to the affect of "the incident was parodied on MADtv" in the Ashlee Simpson article under the SNL fiasco would be sufficient. -R. fiend 18:37, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Ashlee Simpson, cut the Ashlee Simpson article way down, and restrain Everyking's Ashlee fixation. &mdash;tregoweth 18:57, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Apologies to Everyking for assuming he created this. &mdash;tregoweth 18:59, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be kinda crazy to cut down the Ashlee article and merge this, considering what's in the article now is all vastly more notable than this. People who accuse me of endorsing trivia should note that I think this level of detail is somewhat excessive, and it's especially bad considering that I don't believe it was created in good faith. Everyking 19:12, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * BJAODN as an amusing example of parody. Kappa 19:03, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete this parody. - Jeltz talk  19:50, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge anything useful into the main Simpson article. 23skidoo 00:04, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge a bare reference or the briefest of summaries into the Simpson article. This level of description is unnecessary, and every instance in which a particular person is spoofed on a particular TV show certainly doesn't justify a separate article (Bill Clinton on SNL, Liberace on SNL, Tina Yothers on SNL...).  Postdlf 00:31, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Ooh. Tina Yothers on SNL.  Now that would be a cool article ... RickK 00:34, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No merge, or at least no more detail than a single sentence, as suggested by R. fiend. This is Disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Of course this is a personal attack on Everyking. It is a light-hearted "just kidding" attack, and it is vaguely amusing, and the point that it is illustrating even has some validity to it, but at its best this is a self-referential Wikipedian in-joke. Stuff like this really does need to be discouraged on principle. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:54, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, though maybe to BJAODN so that we can have some record of having deleted some Ashleecruft as a bad joke. --Idont Havaname 02:06, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * We'll have this page as the record of deletion. Whatever the level of amusement the article generates, high or low, I think that not letting this escalate into a disruption war supercedes other considerations. Uncle G 14:17, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)
 * Delete, trivial un-encyclopaedic ashleecruft. Megan1967 02:44, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * You see, the function of this article is to make legitimate articles look absurd by association as "ashleecruft". Everyking 02:48, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * It is true that someone is probably having fun at your expense, but this is easy because in fact you have indeed polluted the Wikipedia with ashleecruft. The article is being deleted because of the policy against disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point, not as some kind of endorsement of the legitimacy of all the other ridiculous Ashlee articles. --BM 12:09, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, what a nice thing to say. Add to Wikipedia's store of knowledge and someone accuses you of polluting it. Everyking 14:18, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * This article could have been created by either side of the Ashlee Simpson debate, either by one side as a parody of Ashlee Simpson on SNL to demonstrate where that path leads, or by the other side to attempt to discredit the opposition by attributing unworthy tactics to it. However, the motive is unimportant.  As BM and Dpbsmith have said, we delete this because it is disruption.  Uncle G 14:17, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)
 * Move to BJAODN. Gamaliel 03:41, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * If the facts are accurate, their decription in straight-faced encyclopedic style does make it a very moderately good joke. However, it was created in bad faith as mockery of User:Everyking. I don't think it should be moved to BJAODN because that would be rewarding a very mild, and possibly some will think deserved personal attack, but a personal attack nevertheless. If moved to BJAODN the context should be explained. I don't know what others think, but I think this was specifically created as a parody of Ashlee Simpson on SNL. For the record, it should be mentioned that the latter article, in turn, was a breakout from History_of_SNL:2000-2010. The breakout was performed by Jeff Schiller following a long-running struggle over wording, who said "make the damn thing its own article and let those Simpson fans (and you know who you are) do all the justifying and weedling they want. Let the edit wars take place in that article and leave the 'History of SNL' out of it." Dpbsmith (talk) 13:37, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unencyclopedic, a disruption of the site and as an attempt to make one of the site's best users look foolish. - Lucky 6.9 22:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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