Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashleigh Townsend


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The result was no consensus. This is quite a tricky close, yes initially a technical NFOOTY pass, but questionable GNG at best.

However, it seems that during the discussion consensus elsewhere regarding the level of professionalism in the main league in which the player played decided that it was not fully professional.

There's an argument that this should be closed as delete as it now seems like both an NFOOTY and GNG failure. However, given the change of consensus midway through this AfD, I wonder whether some editors' comments may have been presented differently had the original rationale been fails NFOOTY, fails GNG. It seems preseumptive of a closing admin to assume they would have not.

In this instance it seems better, given that this discussion, and others, will probably shape a wider consensus, for this discussion to be closed as no consensus, but without this precluding a renomination with an updated rationale. This seems especially relevent given the majority of the keep votes were meets NFOOTY-based rather than attempting to present sources showing GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Ashleigh Townsend

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Our article says he played 39 WP:NFOOTY games in 2007–2009 in the third-tier semi professional, non-WP:FPL USL Second Division (SW lists 14 games in 2009). Other than that, A pparently hasn't played in any WP:FPLs and does not meet NFOOTY. Search results return no significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Leviv&thinsp;ich 17:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Update: I have updated the nomination to reflect that this article no longer meets WP:NFOOTY because USL Second Division has been removed from WP:FPL per the note below. Leviv&thinsp;ich 18:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Please see the comment by Icewhiz and updated nomination by Levivich. Further discussion may be needed as to whether he does indeed meet NFOOTY (and why), not to mention GNG.
 * Keep The article clearly passes the criteria of notability as stated in the Football/Fully professional leagues list. Shotgun pete 8:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep – clearly meets WP:NFOOTY (39 games?!?!) Soccerway doesn't cover American leagues prior to ~2009, so the total of 39 games is correct, which is much more than a marginal WP:NFOOTY pass. 21.colinthompson (talk) 22:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, per reasoning above. /Julle (talk) 00:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. nom consulted me prior to nomination . Merits of NFOOTY here are somewhat dubious as while USL Division Two was nominally professional, many players were semi-professionals (holding additional jobs). According to www.soccer-elite.co.uk - he has since moved to on training for soccer-elite coupled with some semi-pro play. Regardless, NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of notability - a presumption that sources should exist. In this particular case - as evident in a very simple google search - there is no SIGCOV. As the presumption of GNG is being challenged here, !votes who assert NFOOTY without providing supporting sources (which should be quite easy to locate - English speaking country, most sources from this time period are available online) - should be disregarded. Icewhiz (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL by some way; needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 07:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: per consensus in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues (concurrent to this AfD) - USL Second Division was struck from the WP:FPL essay, as it was not fully-professional. This should affect !voting based on play in USL D2. Icewhiz (talk) 07:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 09:17, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per multiple analysis described at Special:Diff/892709075.   SITH   (talk)   10:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly meets WP:NFOOTY along with several other pages nominated by the same user. Mosaicberry (talk) 11:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Given the change in status for the USL Second Division, how does he meet WP:NFOOTY? Papaursa (talk) 23:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete After the reassessment of the USL Second Division as not being fully professional, he does not meet WP:NFOOTY. Coverage is typical sports reporting and is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 21:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * delete Coverage of him doesn't meet the GNG and playing in the USL Second Division does not meet WP:NFOOTY. Sandals1 (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * delete He Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  09:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B dash (talk) 08:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – Recent AfDs of USL Second Division players that have been closed as delete, by four different admins: Jason Stenta, Eric Loyd, Nate Jafta, Nick Bochette. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 06:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


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