Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashley Joi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No prejudice against recreation if/when Ms. Joi has her own claim to notability (her own song/album charts, for example). Keeper  |   76   |   Disclaimer  21:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ashley Joi

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Fails WP:MUSIC, does not meet musicians' criteria. DiverseMentality (Discuss it)  19:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - lack of coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. PhilKnight (talk) 19:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  21:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 01:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm actually not too involved in WP:Music, so if it's been established that songs billed as "featuring whoever" don't count for both their main person and whoever, then apologies and I'll bow to consensus.  If not, it seems like Ashely Joi would pass WP:Music  for charting with Body (song) and pass WP:Music  for being in rotation on national radio stations for the same.  Again, if there's precedent I'll bow down to that, but to me it would make sense that she's notable by radio stations around the country announcing "and that last track was Body by Ja Rule featuring Ashley Joi." Vickser (talk) 03:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Being "featured" on two tracks on another artist's album is insufficient to meet WP:MUSIC. Should either track be released as a single and it appears becomes a hit on a national chart, it would then be enough to qualify. B.Wind (talk) 04:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, Body (song) on which she is featured was released as a single and did chart. . Vickser (talk) 04:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A peak of #71 on the Hot 100 is not considered a "hit" by many, if not most sources; so I had to re-read WP:MUSIC: Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.. So now (after amending my comment above), the key question is whether merely making it onto the lower regions of the Hot 100 would qualify it as a "hit" in the "eyes" of Wikipedia, and this, unfortunately, is subject to interpretation by the various editors (as a person who was in "the biz" for about a dozen years quite a while back, I can tell you that most radio stations would simply pay attention only to the upper 40-50 positions of the chart covering the station's format, while the record companies would simply use whichever interpretation that was in their best interest). With that viewpoint, I must remain committed to the delete option, albeit much more weakly than before. Oh, if Vickser can name (and show) a national radio network (as stated in WP:MUSIC) that had the recording in rotation - and not just a few local radio stations working independently - he/she might just tip the seesaw over to "keep" for me. B.Wind (talk) 06:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Very fair. As I said, I'm not too experienced in WP:Music and had no idea if charted songs would qualify a featured artist at all.  I was just trying to be helpful by letting you know that it was indeed released as a single, since that was the issue at hand.  Out of curiousity, do you by any chance know where you can find past records of radio play?  The only place I've been able to get rotation is from the current playlists that radio stations have on their websites, but the ones I've seen don't have archives.  I'd love to have a few more databases to sleath for future afds. Vickser (talk) 06:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - musician with no released music --T-rex 04:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - non notable on her own. I could buy a redirect to Body (song).  Gtstricky Talk or C 17:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


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