Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashley Shaw (ballerina)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Searches on this side of the Atlantic produced better RS; support also to move to Ashley Shaw (dancer) post close. (non-admin closure) Aszx5000 (talk) 19:49, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Ashley Shaw (ballerina)

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Non-notable performer. Beyond social media and an interview in the Daily Mail, rest are mentions of her performances only. Oaktree b (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Dance,  and United Kingdom.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. An in-depth performance review by a reliable source counts for notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:24, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep She also played Aurora in Sleeping Beauty at Sadler's Wells in the West End and the guardian reviewed that too here. Couple that with Deborah Craine's critiques in the Times Dance suplement and there's your C1 of WP:ENT𝔓420°𝔓Holla 14:52, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The feature articles in The Times and BBC News are more than sufficient to meet WP:GNG. A WP:BEFORE search shows many other reviews and articles from reliable sources that could easily be added to expand this stub. Not everyone who dances with Matthew Bourne is notable per Wikipedia standards, but Ashley Shaw (ballerina) more than qualifies. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone above - Has been featured in The Guardian, The Times and BBC News so clearly means GNG here, Was BEFORE not done?... – Davey 2010 Talk 20:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've also added Lancashire Telegraph and Winchester Today reviews - Clearly notable. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * None of these turn up in my search, no. Perhaps Google on my side of the Atlantic is looking at Yank sources first. Oaktree b (talk) 04:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Oaktree b I thought maybe the issue you were having was related to calling her a "ballerina" because ballet terminology is so...esoteric. (Yes, Ashley Shaw played a prima ballerina in Red Shoes...but does Matthew Bourne's genre-defying New Adventures (dance company) itself even have "ballerinas"?) In other words, is it the case that this article should be called "Ashley Shaw (dancer)" or something else? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:17, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Oaktree b, Thanks for explaining, If it's of any help I normally search for their name and what programme they've been in, I do recall the exact same thing happening to me in an AFD before where I didn't find anything but someone somehow did so I understand, – Davey 2010 Talk 11:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Most articles of ballerinas have "(dancer)" rather than "(ballerina)", e.g. Julie Kent (dancer), Lauren Anderson (dancer), Debra Austin (dancer), Virginia Johnson (dancer), so I think it makes sense to move this article to Ashley Shaw (dancer). Corachow (talk) 16:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 16:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Support page move to Ashley Shaw (Dancer) to reflect the consensus and the article's evolution.𝔓420°𝔓Holla 11:29, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My other point was that if one were searching for "Ashley Shaw" and "ballerina" in a search engine like Google, one probably finds far fewer initial hits than if one is searching for "Ashley Shaw" and "dancer" or "Ashley Shaw" and "Matthew Bourne". Cielquiparle (talk) 02:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool beans. I'll wait until after the closer to move to Ashley Shaw (dancer). I'm seeing a few snowflakes starting to fall here tbf.𝔓420°𝔓Holla 08:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


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