Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashough Jivani's House-Museum


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Red Phoenix  talk  03:05, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Ashough Jivani's House-Museum

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Not notable private museum Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:35, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 14:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Try also:
 * and perhaps add word "Kartsakh" for the village of his origin or add "Armenian" or "Georgian".
 * --Doncram (talk) 05:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * --Doncram (talk) 05:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 14:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'd like to see more information and more discussion here.  It appears to be a museum about a writer of songs and fairy tales whose work dates back to at least 1882.  It seems to me there ought to be an article about Ashough Jivani (currently a redlink) first, perhaps.  Who is this guy, is he important in Georgia (country) like say Hans Christian Andersen (1805–1875) is important in Denmark and western culture generally, or would the average Georgian not know about him?  Who would know about the museum?  It could be that the person and museum are well-known, but we need some Georgian-familiar editors to help out with developing the article a bit.  I notice it doesn't even wikilink to Georgia (country).  Perhaps it just needs tagging for development?
 * Or perhaps there could be a combo article about the person and with a section about the museum. A private museum, if that is what this is, is less obviously notable than if it is a public (i.e. publicly funded) museum, though private museums as long as they are open to the public can be Wikipedia-notable.  Note, the fact that there is a museum about this person definitely does speak to the notability of the person. --Doncram (talk) 04:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The writer may be more important to Armenia, broadly, than to Georgia (country). --Doncram (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, tentatively, though perhaps move to Ashough Jivani and develop as a combo article about the person, the holiday, and the museum. Sources like this about Jivani Day, suggests to me that this person is notable.  Perhaps they are a Georgian folk musician/writer who is being promoted now as part of some program to promote historic Georgian artists, even as part of a political/marketing push for some reason, which would still be okay by me.  I think they are a real person and there is some momentum around a day in their name.  This adds up to meaning that Wikipedia should explain who is this person. --Doncram (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This seems to be about DJIVANI, also known as Serovbe Bangoyan-Levonyan, who lived from 1846 to 1909, and whose works have been published in books from 1882 to 2009 at least. (Try: Djivani, Serovbe Bangoyan-Levonyan.)  See bio about him at this website providing bios about Armenian folk artists.  Seems like notable person.  This reaffirms to me that "Keep" with move is suitable decision. --Doncram (talk) 05:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 14:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 21:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. <i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 21:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, I said "keep" already so this should be closed. Why trouble anyone else once i have decided? --Doncram (talk) 23:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per doncram. There are sources in Armenian for the museum itself, such as what seem to be the Ankakh newspaper, two articles in the Armenian Times newspaper (Haykakan Zhamanak) (armtimes.com), and the Hay Dzayn newspaper or news magazine (Armenian Voice). Ashugh or Ashough Jivani was an Armenian of exceptional historical importance: . Per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE and WP:R, the worst case scenario for this page would be a move and rewrite to Jivani himself, so deletion should be out of the question. James500 (talk) 05:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- It is useful to have articles on museums that are open to the public. I would be happier if we had an article on the person whose house it was: I have made this a redlink.  We may be suffering from transliteration issues.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. I posted notice of this AFD at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Armenia and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Georgia (country). --Doncram (talk) 19:56, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


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