Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asia Pacific Football League (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The argument that proper sources may be found at some point in the future seems like a last-ditch attempt to save this article. Unless and until those sources can be found the article can and should be deleted. Furthermore, the article will be create-protected. Any future attempts to re-create the article should be made by creating a userspace draft that addresses the concerns raised here and at the last AFD. Iff that is done I or anther admin can remove the protection and re-create the article. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Asia Pacific Football League
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This is a procedural nomination, rather than tagging the article again for WP:CSD. This article was deleted following Articles for deletion/Asia Pacific Football League in May 2007. It was created again within a few months and deleted under WP:CSD. A few months later, the original creator launched the article again. There is still nothing to source the article except primary sources (and those long defunct), nothing to suggest notability for this organization that never took off. The content is not precisely the same, but it has not altered in any substantive way to address the issues raised at the original AfD: there is still no sign of reliable sourcing to verify that this meets WP:ORG. Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

KEEP Not worthy to be deleted. There is plenty information on this topic (despite some of it being deleted) and notes the only known attempt to create an American football league in Asia. Besides, someone already tried to delete it, it was decided to be kept. Why do this again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick lay95 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 31 October 2010
 * — Note to closing admin: Rick lay95 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The only prior AfD on this article closed with "delete". The second creation was speedily deleted. Where did somebody already try to delete it and it was decided to be kept? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. When (and if) the League ever actually forms, then it may deserve an article. But until then, it does not.--Hongkongresident (talk) 00:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Reluctant delete When-and-if passed more than 10 years ago. Although I think this is interesting, and that it would be a great "previously untold story" in the pro football history magazine Coffin Corner, I couldn't find any indication that its press releases and website were actually noticed by the media in the U.S. or in Asia.  At best, it got a page in the Dallas Business Journal.  Never-before-published information is, by definition, not notable and can't be kept on Wikipedia.  At most, it's a lowlight in the career of Preston Pearson.  Mandsford 02:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Rick. --BenOneHundred (talk) 10:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: "Plenty information on this topic?" From where, exactly?  There's not a single independent reliable source on this.  ZERO hits from Google News, either current or on archives.  Never mind failing the GNG, I say it doesn't meet WP:V.  At all.   Ravenswing  17:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No references. -DJSasso (talk) 11:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I am attempting to obtain articles from the Dallas Business Journal and the Honolulu Advitisor. You should hold off on anything until they get back to me with the articles in question. Both papers said they would get back to me within the next week on articles about the APFL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick lay95 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 2 November 2010 [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|20px|]] — Duplicate !vote: Rick lay95 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Wait! Why is it gone! I haven't gotten my evidence yet! I thought I would have the chance to present it! Rick lay95 (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)rick_lay95