Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asian Medical Institute, Kyrgyzstan


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The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 15:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Asian Medical Institute, Kyrgyzstan

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Unreferenced for years. Not notable: I can't find any reliable secondary sources about the subject in google, there's no mention about it in news, books, google scholar. Article claims that it is in "the W.H.O list of recognized Medical Institutions", but it isn't, which brings into doubt the article's factual accuracy. X7q (talk) 19:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha Quadrant    talk    22:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. No reliably-sourced verification that this entity exists. Not on WHO list dated 2007 (contrary to claim in article). Not in this online directory of medical schools. Not mentioned in this 2009 report about health systems in the country (the report does mention other medical training institutions in the country). --Orlady (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - medical schools are notable and it is indeed listed in the notable directory Avicenna Directories, here (put 'Asian Medical Institute' in the search box and scroll down to 'Kyrgyzstan'. The Institute's website is here. I can't, obviously, rule out that this is some form of elaborate hoax but at present it does indeed seem genuine, particularly in the light of this.TerriersFan (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not notable per wikipedia notability guidelines. The directory you mention only contains contact information about this school, which is trivial information and does not establish notability. -- X7q (talk) 01:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:ORG says "If no independent, third-party, reliable sources can be found on a topic, then Wikipedia should not have an article on it." There are no such sources in the article, therefore delete. -- X7q (talk) 01:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters your implication that this is a hoax looks ill-founded. Secondly, medical schools that award degrees have long been considered notable. Of course the page needs sources but that may require research in regional sources. To avoid systemic bias we must not assume that the absence of Google sources in English equate to no sources existing. We don't delete articles that don't yet have reliable sources; the ones we delete are those which are unlikely to have such sources. Where, as here, the page is on a notable subject we tag for improvement. This is the way we develop the encyclopaedia. TerriersFan (talk) 01:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Congrats to TerriersFan for finding that source. I continue to be very skeptical about the existence of this institution, notwithstanding its listing in one ostensibly reliable directory. I would not call it a hoax, but I still think it may be a scam. I must confess that I was skeptical about the idea that one of the world's poorest and most unstable countries is the site of a first-class English-language medical school catering exclusively to foreigners, but I have found evidence that some of the other medical schools in the country are catering to foreigners, primarily from Kashmir. However, if this school was established in 2004 (as claimed) and has all the approvals it lists, why isn't it listed in the 2007 WHO directory, which lists four other medical schools in Kyrgyzstan and includes text that says "Update through 31 December 2007 - The Government of the Kyrgyz Republic has asked WHO to list the following medical school: Osh State University Medical Institute"? This 2009 report about some serious public health challenges facing Kyrgyzstan includes mention of Kyrgyz State Medical Academy and the Kyrgyz State Medical Institute of Post‐Graduate Training and Continuous Education, which are two of the four schools on the 2007 WHO list and the only two schools on the Institute for International Medical Education list. The source linked on the Asian Medical Institute website as evidence of Kyrgyz government recognition is a page on http://www.university-directory.eu, which is not a reliable source -- and most definitely is not a Kyrgyz government source. The listing in the Avicenna directory cannot be discounted, but the Avicenna directory does not identify the source of the information, and I think it is possible that the Avicenna people have been scammed. --Orlady (talk) 02:14, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * keep now adequately sourced.  DGG ( talk ) 20:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete as spam(?) original creator at the time inserted links to the Asian Medical Institute into many irrelevant articles for example; Football Federation of Kyrgyz Republic & Postage stamps and postal history of Kyrgyzstan either way if the WHO don't seem to know about it and there are no media sources (let alone reliable ones) it fails WP:GNG existence (does it?) whether a medical school or not does not infer notability WP:NRVE.  wintonian   talk  03:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - it is certainly not spam in it present form since it simply states the facts. The WHO do know about it; it is just that their directory has been taken over by the University of Copenhagen. TerriersFan (talk) 14:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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