Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asif Kamal (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MER-C 19:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Asif Kamal
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Non-notable businessperson whose page had previously been deleted through an AfD. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 19:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:22, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:22, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete still remains a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable businessperson, fails in meeting wiki criteria for people. Setreis (talk) 06:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: AFDs should be a last resort. It seems as if a hasty attempt to delete an article that requires some work. The nominator doesn't seem to have verified if the subject meets WP:GNG and did online research. He is a prominent businessman and art connoisseur. He runs an art gallery which is based in Dubai and is the chairman of Alturaash Group. He founded Asif Kamal Foundation in India that works with underprivileged children and their families in the area of education and healthcare. He launched several initiatives to help the needy during the COVID-19 pandemic. Alturaash Art Fund is another initiative to promote artists globally and to provide loans against modern and contemporary art. He has been discussed in numerous mainstream newspapers. I recreated this page only because he has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources since the last AFD, including  and meets WP:GNG.SKSaqib (talk) 11:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete A non-notable businessman who fails WP:BASIC, WP:BIO. RationalPuff (talk) 17:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep a notable businessman, passes GNG. However this is the 2nd nomination but from then I found few news references which are new, reliable and independent. Niceguylucky (talk) 09:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked for WP:UPE and sock or meatpuppetry. MER-C 19:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete relies entirely on paid-for news releases on unreliable sources. Salt to prevent SPAs from sneakily publishing the article again. M4DU7 (talk) 11:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Are you seriously claiming 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 which are mainsteam newspapers and published by their editors to be paid articles? Where does it say they are paid sources? These articles were published at reputable presses with editorial oversight and have significant coverage to establish notability of the subject.SKSaqib (talk) 18:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am seriously claiming exactly that. The New Indian Express article just quotes him and provides next to no coverage on him. The other four sources are promotional PR trash on low-quality sites that have a proven history of publishing paid-for spam. Wikipedia's NBIO bar is far higher than this. M4DU7 (talk) 16:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This is just a shot in the dark. Please show me where its written those are paid articles. Do they have disclaimers at the bottom or paid content written anywhere. I think you knee jerk jumped to that conclusion. Just because you may have seen a few paid articles published at these websites doesn't mean you will put every article in the same category. All news publications do allow to publish paid content, even New York Times does, but they also let readers know by putting disclaimers, tagging under sponsored, partnered, brand post categories. None of the news articles i have cited are paid ones and they are reputable newspapers in India.SKSaqib (talk) 11:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Not all sites post the PR disclaimer. It comes as no surprise that all these articles were published pretty much the same day and that there is zero coverage in any better source. May I ask you how you know Asif Kamal's date of birth? Seems suspicious when I consider the fact that you have made no real contribution outside this article. Shot in the dark? Yeah, right. M4DU7 (talk) 13:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You asking this question clearly shows that you didn't check references properly. I found his date of birth on The Statesment.-SKSaqib (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The what? I cannot find it in the article or here. Please link it before accusing me of not checking the references properly. M4DU7 (talk) 07:59, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: as per sources provided by SKSaqib. Passes GNG however it needs some work.Ruqayya ansari (talk) 10:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked for WP:UPE and sock or meatpuppetry. MER-C 19:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: Current sources establish notability and found more sources online. Passes BASIC.-Tushar.ghone (talk) 13:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked for WP:UPE and sock or meatpuppetry. MER-C 19:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete this is nothing more than vanity spam sourced to paid for black hat SEO sites and covert press releases. CUPIDICAE💕  20:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet (talk) 15:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I tend to agree with M4DU7 that it's likely at least one of the sources are paid. That in turn brings greater suspicion of other sources. If you look at Angela Paljor, the New Indian Express article author for the source in the article, you will find her other articles contain gems like "Hair care offerings to tackle monsoon frizz", which is clearly an ad for Schwarzkopf Professional Keratin Smooth Perfect Range. The article descriobes the product and uses quotes from "Melissa Hughe, National Technical Head, Schwarzkopf Professional". It's an ad. Or, examine "Banking on home service and client loyalty", where the services of numerous hair salons in the Shahnaz Husain Group are described. Quotes in the article are from "Shahnaz Husain, Founder, Chairperson and Managing Director of The Shahnaz Husain Group".


 * One of the sources included in the first version of the article was "Asif Kamal has made name in the Indian Art Industry" from thestatesman-dot-com. It has the byline "SNS Web", which I believe equates to press release distribution. Anyway, I can't link it here because it is in the spam blacklist. And so on... Possibly (talk) 21:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I would like to mention few important points here with not agreeing on Possibly's argument about his claim for the paid article based on assumptions, first of all, The New Indian Express is a pre Independence established and credible media house in India, having an in-depth article about someone doesn’t mean it’s a paid article and also we know that the paid and sponsor article are allowed in the media houses and they do the paid article with the disclaimer on it and it’s not a hidden story. Claiming about an editor who’s expert on writing about art and culture mostly that she is a paid editor based on a few articles which have an in-depth discussion about product or profile. I can see not all the references mentioned on the page is from the same agency, same editor, I can see references from 2014 onwards in different agency and a different storyline about this person and he is in the media from 2014 onwards regularly. For the sake of argument, If an editor has done a few paid articles also in her editorial journey doesn’t mean all of her articles are paid? Timberlack (talk) 11:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked for WP:UPE and sock or meatpuppetry. MER-C 19:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Have significantly improved the page, adding a controversy section with more authoritative sources.-SKSaqib (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep As per added new references, passes WP:GNG. Timberlack (talk) 06:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked for WP:UPE and sock or meatpuppetry. MER-C 19:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per added new resources and content, passes GNG. LucyLucy (talk) 16:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * which new sources would those be? CUPIDICAE💕  16:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked for WP:UPE and sock or meatpuppetry. MER-C 19:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.