Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asma Kəsmə


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. SynergeticMaggot 00:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Asma Kəsmə
this entry is challenged on the basis of WP:V or WP:HOAX. This listing for an Azerbaijani dance which forms part of the wedding ritual asserts notability based on its claim of being one of the oldest dances in the context of wedding ceremonies. Dances are an integral part of the wedding rituals in almost every culture, and this claim, therefore, needs to be properly demonstrated. Ohconfucius 07:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC) See page bottom. Ohconfucius
 * Comment - where the hoax issue is concerned, the words are certainly cognate to the relevant Turkish infinitives ("asmak" and "kesmek"), so nobody's trying to pull the wool over our eyes by sneaking an obscenity in, since Azeri's close enough to Turkish for the words not to have changed enough. As for whether such a dance exists, I'll leave that to someone with slightly more knowledge in that field or abilities in that language. BigHaz 10:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The text comes straight from this web page: آذربایجان رقص لری /Azerbaijani dances. That holds also for several others, all listed under List of folk dances sorted by origin, such as Abayı and Asta Qarabağı. I do not think this is copyvio, as the page states near its beginning:  "We are sending English translation of dances to Wikipedia" . I think for now it is enough to keep the verify tag. --Lambiam Talk 16:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment my challenge is on the premise of its claim to be "It is one of the oldest dances which is current in marriage". Apologies if it was misunderstood: I was not challenging the existence of the dance, nor that it has a very long history. An assertion to notability of the dance such as "It is a folkloric dance which dates back to the Xth century" would appear sufficient in this regard. With respect, I would content that the source of the translated document itself needs to be subject to the same credibility test. Ohconfucius 05:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I was reasonably certain that that was what you were getting at. My comment about the language issue was to save anyone else the trouble of thinking "I wonder if we've inadvertently got an article with an offensive title?" BigHaz 05:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep, we have lots of dances on WP and even Category:Dance. If Azeris do the dance at their weddings, that's notable enough for WP. If you want to take issue with the claim of "oldest" AfD is not the place to hash that out. I think the nomination based on verifiability and hoax is no longer operative. Carlossuarez46 06:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * comment point taken. I withdraw the AfD nomination. case closed. I beg for someone to fill out the stub. Ohconfucius 06:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.