Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asopos de Vliet

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Asopos de Vliet
Student rowing club at Liden University. Delete since it has no potential to become encyclopedic. The name is also not in english--nixie 02:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC) This article should have been created at the Dutch Wikipedia first, that would have made things a lot easier. No doubt this is fancruft by an enthusiast; I wish said enthusiast would add a little more meat to flesh out the bones it is now. Oh, and Megan: advertisement? What, were you tempted to sign up? JRM 14:08, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
 * Delete, no indication of notability. Edeans 02:47, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's not "Liden" but Leiden. An indication of notability is the vigorousness of its website (linked from the article): take a look at the front page, and the amount that has been added just in the last week or so. The article therefore may have the potential to become encyclopedic. And I haven't a clue why anyone would object to the fact that its name is not in English. Why should it have a name in English? (Would you prefer it if Matsushita were "Under the Pine Tree", or indeed if Kodak were an English name?) But I agree that there's no indication of notability within the article, and for this reason do not (yet) make a "Keep" vote. -- Hoary 05:39, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC) ......... PS Meester's comment below has persuaded me to say keep. (Not the royal connection but the historical importance.) -- Hoary 11:23, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)
 * Delete. So we should keep it because they have a put a lot of effort into their website? Not notable, no matter how nifty their website is. DaveTheRed 05:58, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * No, not what I was suggesting at all. Activities described in the website, not effort put into the markup, etc., of the website. Did you see the website? Take a look -- just knowing that maart is Dutch for March shows us anglophones that a lot is going on. -- Hoary 06:15, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, advertisement. Megan1967 07:06, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Question is, what is the consensus on student societies (including frats and the like). This is one of the larger student societies in Leiden, which has a major university in the Netherlands. About 250 members if I recall correctly, and they participate in international varsity rowing contests. Abstain for now. Radiant_* 10:07, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * From what I've observed, national frats get kept, local ones and clubs almost always get merged. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 16:41, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Very well, in that case merge with something like Leiden student associations. Radiant_* 09:46, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Based on what Radiant! says about their participation "in international varsity rowing contests", they would seem to be at least as notable as a lot of US college teams having articles. Can we have more details? How much do they compete? Have they won anything? Abstaining but leaning towards keep. / Uppland 10:15, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * As it looks now, the most appropriate thing seems to be to work it into a "student life" section in the university article. Merge and redirect . / Uppland 16:01, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep based on what Meester says below. But please expand the article and write something on the Njord club as well. / Uppland 11:39, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I've tried my darnedest to rewrite this article, but though I'm Dutch, I'm no rowing expert, and both Google and their homepage didn't help me much. They're real, they're notable enough in Leiden, but as far as I can tell they never participated in international contests (and they're not the only rowing club in Leiden). I can't even find membership statistics on their homepage, so I'm having trouble adding verifiable facts. No doubt I'm looking in the wrong place, but as I said, I'm no rowing expert.
 * Delete student clubs unless truly famous or notable. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 16:36, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nn rowboatcruft. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:47, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep internationally active rowboatcruft. Kappa 21:28, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep One thing that might be considered: this is a piece of rowing history, as Njord was the eldest rowing club in the Netherlands and De Vliet the eldest female club. Also, current Queen of the Netherlands Beatrix rowed at De Vliet... Meester 13:09, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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