Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assistant teacher (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete, but a rough consensus to redirect the article elsewhere. This discussion sprawled out all over the place and I think any attempt to find consensus here will involve some tea leaf reading. So if anyone wants to convince me I've made an error then I will happily hear them out.

There is very little desire to keep the article as it stands, so a straight "no consensus" close feels like buck-passing to me. Despite a typically thoughtful argument there is no consensus to outright delete. There are an equal number of arguments for redirecting to Teaching assistant and Teacher, and there is opposition to creating a disambig page.

As has already boldly started the work to accommodate a redirect landing site at Teacher, I am going to redirect the article there. This is an imperfect interpretation of the consensus but a discussion about changing the redirect target can continue at Talk:Assistant teacher, a more appropriate forum than AfD.  A  Train talk 08:04, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Assistant teacher
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This article is either a trivial, self-evident definition (not encyclopedic), or it is a defined professional designation in which case it must have reliable references from the country in which the role is defined ... or be original research (also not encyclopedic). It has been tagged for references since 2009. Rhadow (talk) 22:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 23:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 23:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as above. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC).
 * Keep The topic is highly notable per the WP:GNG as entire books are written about the subject. As you only have to click the search links above to establish this, the nomination clearly fails the elementary ABC: WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE and WP:NOTCLEANUP.  Our editing policy is to improve such topics, not to delete them. Andrew D. (talk) 20:12, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure this can be made to work as an article. The risk of Original Research (by way of synthesis) is too high. It might be better as a straight-up disambiguation page: "You may be looking for Teaching assistant, a role often taken by graduate students; Teaching assistants in the United Kingdom; the Foreign Language Assistant program in Germany; Assistant Language Teacher, a role taken by foreign nationals in Japan; or the academic rank of Assistant professor." XOR&#39;easter (talk) 16:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate I agree with . Re-tooling the page to be a disambiguation + Wiktionary link is the best option here. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:56, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. The very topic that this article covers, a job title that is not notable per se, is non-encyclopedic. Agricola44 (talk) 15:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Has the beginnings of a perfectly good article, given the term has been used differently in different countries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDICT. The examples chosen for this article seem to have been included primarily because of the similarity of name (the words "assistant" and "teacher" in some order) rather than because they have any close relation to each other than that similarity of naming would already suggest. We have no sources on the broader meaning that this purports to be about. And we already have specific articles on the individual subjects linked here. These articles (in their proper names) are not even easily-enough confused to need a disambiguation page or set-index article; at best we need hatnotes between Foreign Language Assistant and Assistant Language Teacher. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Dictionary-type definition. Could easily be merged into teacher. Reywas92Talk 06:44, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - to teacher. Not enough meat, and proximity to teacher info helps the context more. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I took a shot at starting a section Teacher. It needs refs.  Not sure if it will work as a pure disambiguation page, but it is a bit jumbled still.  TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  01:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Paging users, , , : any interest in merging as suggested by or refactoring into a disambig page as suggested by ?
 * Merge to teacher. It's a recognised profession - AfD is not cleanup. Ritchie333 <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:43, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  A  Train talk 19:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. XOR&#39;easter suggestion seems appropriate. Agricola44 (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I also strongly disagree with the idea of a dab page: there are no qualifying entries, e.g. an assistant professor is never called an assistant teacher AFAIK. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and David Eppstein's persuasive comment. Ifnord (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge - This article is a WP:CFORK of Teaching assistant and should be merged into that article. PFAStudent (talk) 19:45, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Convert into disambiguation page- there is content about this and lots of studies, however, they are currently split into separate articles, XOR'easter's suggestion is very sensible. jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to teacher. There is content that's worth saving here and while there is a difference between a teacher and a teaching assistant there is little to suggest the role itself passes WP:NOPAGE.    Dr Strauss   talk   22:10, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Teaching assistant as a valid search term per WP:ATD-R, respect the smerge to Teacher per WP:ATD-M, and in that section incorporate some pieces of Teaching assistant – They are practically the same thing and can be incorporated together.  J 947 ( c ) (m)   23:50, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.