Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Association of Late-Deafened Adults


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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) -- Orduin  Discuss 21:32, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Association of Late-Deafened Adults

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My searches found several results here, here, here, here (Scholar, passing mentions), here and here but nothing to make considerable, even minimally, improvement and there's hardly any significant edits since March 2004 and no good move target. Although it seems fairly well known in its field and has made recommendations for hearing enhancement measures in theatres, there's not much else. SwisterTwister  talk  19:10, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep perhaps a ref improve tag, but plenty of sources to do an informative article, which I did update somewhat.
 * Seibel, Tom (27 October 1990). "Conference tackles problems of adults who lose hearing". Chicago Sun-Times. Retrieved 22 August 2015.
 * CIEPLY, MICHAEL (21 November 2014). "Theater Owners Join Effort to Add Captioning to Films". The Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 22 August 2015.
 * Loudon, Bennett J. (3 December 2014). "Feds planning new rules on movie captions". USA Today. Retrieved 22 August 2015.
 * "New software for Google Glass provides captions for hard-of-hearing users" (2 October 2014). Phys.org. 2 October 2014. Retrieved 22 August 2015. "Foley and the students are working with the Association of Late Deafened Adults in Atlanta to improve the program."

-- 009o9 (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete The references above are places where the organization is quoted or mentioned (sometimes in a single sentence) on a general issue, not places which discuss the organization.  DGG ( talk ) 04:04, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Sources exist, but concern has been raised that they do not substantially cover the organization. Another relist is needed to come to consensus. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Google books and Google scholar are better places to look for this sort of thing than the popular press. The article does need rewriting. Two references: and . — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarryGrandma (talk • contribs) 04:03, 31 August 2015
 * Weak Delete - a tough one. There are a bunch of sources, but the only ones that seem to cover the organization beyond a mention, citation, or affiliated person, are primary sources (e.g. the one posted by StarryGranma directly above). I'd prefer a merge, but don't see any suitable target (post-lingual deafness?) &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 18:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - references don't really cover the organization unless it was a brief mention. Maybe userfy to creator or merge with an article? MrWooHoo (talk) 02:13, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, FWIW, the author was a SPA and never seemed to come again last March 2004 (and hardly anyone else has significantly edited the article enough) and chances are very likely they're not returning. If it was userfied, that would simply host it and someone else would have to attend to it. SwisterTwister   talk  02:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The book notes on page 128: "Another support/advocacy organization, The Association of Late-Deafened Adults (ALDA), was founded in 1987. For the most part, its members are adults who grew up hearing but are now unable to understand speech without visual aids such as speechreading, sign language, or captioning. The organization's goal is to advocate for relevant legislation, rehabilitation programs, employment opportunities, and communication services. The organization also provides personal support to late-deafened adults as they adjust to becoming deaf. Networking opportunities are offered through local chapters and an annual conference. The association publishes a quarterly newsletter 'that blends humor and sensitivity along with first-hand accounts of the frequent absurdities of deafened life."  The article notes: "ALDA, the Association of Late-Deafened Adults, is an international group that recently permitted Ms. Ward to open a chapter in Pasco County ... The association is for people 21 and older who have a mild or severe hearing impairment and need support. People who attend ALDA meetings can communicate through lip reading, sign language or even written notes. ALDA was started by Bill Graham, an editor at World Book Encyclopedia in Chicago, after he suddenly became deaf. His loss left him depressed until he entered a support group to deal with the problem.  ...  In 1987, Bill Graham received a book titled Who's Who in Science, and thumbed through its pages finding people who he thought to be deaf, and then contacted them. Graham's predictions were mostly right, and he met with the people to discuss plans for an adult deafness group.  ALDA's first chapter opened in Chicago in 1987 with the help of audiologists, psychiatrists and other professionals who could work well with the deaf. Today, there are chapters of ALDA in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, France Australia, and now, Pasco County." <li> The article notes: On the day I visited, Mike, Karen and another friend, Stanley Gadsden, 32, were making plans to attend the third annual ALDA International Conference, which began Wednesday and continues through Sunday at the Westin Hotel in Chicago. ALDA is a four-year-old group with 1,200 members, all of whom became deaf after childhood. Though the late-deafened make up 75 percent of the 1.8 million deaf population, they are often the most isolated. People who were born deaf view them as part of the hearing world. And people who hear view them as deaf. ...  I. King Jordan, president of Gallaudet, the university for deaf students, lost his hearing in a motorcycle accident at age 21. He's giving the keynote address at this year's ALDA conference. In a speech to ALDA in 1989, he talked of how the hearing world interacts with the late-deafened: "The belief is out there that, if we deaf people would simply try a little bit harder, if we would really concentrate, then we would be able to understand. If we really worked at it, we could hear again." </li> <li> The book notes on pages 46–47: "Those who acknowledge that they have moved to a different phase and need to get on with life may be amenable to seeking out contact with other late-deafened persons through venues such as the Association of Late-Deafened Adults, Inc. (ALDA) (http://www.alda.org, 2008) in their search for a sense of fellowship. At ALDA meetings, attention to diverse communication needs, including signed English, spoken language with speeechreading and assistive listening devices, note writing, and CART [Communication Access Real Time Translation] (http://www.alda.org, 2008), draws these late-deafened individuals together. Conclusions from data obtained from 97 late-deafened participants in 12 focus groups confirm that while hearing community affiliations remain strong, meetings with ALDA members are valued (Goulder, 1997)."</li> <li> The book notes on page 126 in its "Resources" section: "ALDA The Association of Late Deafened Adults (ALDA) is a self-help organization for people who have lost their hearing after the development of speech. The organization was founded in Chicago in 1987."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the Association of Late-Deafened Adults to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 03:39, 14 September 2015 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep. There's sufficient here for notability of this national organization.  This is one of the few recent times I've agreed with  in these discussions, at least about the conclusion, though I think some of his sources are mere mentions. Books about a condition such as this and patient websites tend to include all posssibly relevant organizations, and I consider them mere listings. The 1st ref. given by, however, is substantial enough for notability.  DGG ( talk ) 04:13, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * above you !voted to delete, here you're saying keep. I assume you changed your mind and intended to strike your earlier comment?  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * struck. As I said, Cunard and SG convinced me.  DGG ( talk ) 17:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per sources found by . ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 20:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


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