Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assyrian Jews


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Assyrian Jews

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Duplicate of History of Jews in Kurdistan, most references used in Assyrian Jews even describe this subgroup as "Kurdish Jews". The creator of the page also furthermore made some suspicious edits here which makes me wonder why this page was created in the first place. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 23:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:03, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Should it simply be merged into the older article? The duplicate has some additional sources. Dimadick (talk) 02:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Parts of the article can be copy-pasted if its neutral and not POV. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 08:47, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * References to "Kurdish oppressors" lead me to suspect this as a WP:POVFORK. Should be redirected back to History of the Jews in Kurdistan. Zerach (talk) 07:53, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Kurdish history doesn't extend far back enough to encompass the Assyrian identity, so mislabeling these people "Kurdish Jews" would not only rewrite their history, but reduce it by thousands of years. Furthermore, Assyrian Jews speak Assyrian Chaldean Aramaic dialect, which has no linguistic ties to Kurdish people. Feel free to watch the video on the page to witness it yourself. I have a whole library of books on Assyrian Jews that I can share with you via email anytime, and they're all primary sources from hundreds of years ago. Information is power. Please let me know if you're brave enough to view it. 0limits (talk) 07:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)0limits


 * First of all, the article is named History of Jews in Kurdistan and not Kurdish Jews, so there's no rewriting history there. It's becoming clear that this is POVFORK. I would support a redirect if not a deletion. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 08:47, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:NPOV and WP:OR. I first commented on this when it was in draft.  The specific words I objected to were changed, with the edit comment, Please let me know if any other words in this article lack a neutral tone.  NPOV is not about vocabulary, it's about intent.  The goal of this was obviously to  promote a particular viewpoint.  The original edit comment, I recently stumbled upon this ancient group of people while doing research on the ancient people of antiquity. To my surprise, they still exist to this day, and I have communicated with many of them on Facebook. In honor of them, I spent a lot of time putting together this short excerpt and hope that others can help me expand on this article of significant cultural importance makes that clear., as does this talk page comment. The sourcing is horrible.  We've got File:Assyrian National Anthem in Hebrew & Aramaic.jpg, which is stated as "Own work".  What does that mean?  Did 0limits create it from scratch?  Is this some piece of printed material they photographed, and if so, where was it published and who wrote it?  The description field itself is a political statement.  Similar comments can be made about the video.  And looking through the more conventional sources, none strike me as solid WP:RS WP:SECONDARY sources.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * PS, this seems like a perfectly reasonable search term, so I'm fine with turning this into a redirect to an appropriate target. I'd also be fine with a new article at this title, but it would need to be WP:TNT, with good sourcing, and careful attention to WP:NPOV by a disinterested writer.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as Assyrian Jews Please delete this entry. It was made as an effort to use many people as possible for Assyrian agenda an for that matter describe the Jews of Kurdistan as Assyrian. History of Jews in Kurdistan is a neutral source and there is a entry in Hebrew for the Nash Didan Jews "נאש דידן" wich are part of the Jews of Kurdistan. In my community website at http://nashdidan.co.il/en/nash-didan/ there is a short translation to English of this entry. In no way we describe ourselves as Assyrians, and History shows we lived as separate communities in northern Persia. In our Facebook group I and other Admins delete Assyrian propaganda posts daily. Sorry if This is against any guidelines this is my first Wiki Post.... NashDidan(talk) 22:02, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I know little about this subject, if it's even a subject at all, but I do know that it's a red flag when people cite genetics in support of an article about an ethnic/religious/cultural group, as this article does. One thing that modern genetics has shown us is that it has little relevance to those other fields. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT. They might exist, but this is a huge mess, starting with the video and most of it synthesis or original research. Bearian (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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