Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astrid van der Veen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 04:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Astrid van der Veen

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Subject does not appear to be notable. The two albums she made (which can't be found anywhere) were self-produced and recorded (it is claimed), and no record labels are mentioned--and I can't find any. The work she did with Ayreon, guesting on an album, that's not enough to warrant an individual article, and she is an unlikely search term. For the record: here are her Google results, and here are the results from Google News. In short, nada. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wine Guy  ~Talk  09:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - not much to source, but I would not say a speedy deletion, as she does have connections with a notable band. Bearian (talk) 04:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - She worked on two notable albums (Ambeon and Ayreon, see and e.b. ) in two different projects with Arjen Lucassen. That does not constitute a "member[s] of two notable bands" as per the footnote in WP:MUSIC in my opinion. Although I like her solo music and it gets a bit of traffic on Youtube, there are no reliable sources for its notability. It's not a vanity page as the article is pretty neutral and has a diverse editing history, but I don't think it will fly under WP:MUSIC. Smocking (talk) 17:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. It's more likely than not that she'll meet the low bar of WP:MUSIC eventually, but I don't see evidence that she's there yet. THF (talk) 14:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

IMO this artist is noteworthy. Google search shows many pages containing her name and referencing her. Ambeon and Ayreon, while not "notable" bands you say, nonetheless created complete albums of quality original music. To me Wikipedia is a universal encyclopedia containing all topics and to disinclude an artist of this calibre based on who did the album production or whether or not those albums are currently available to purchase from a record company is wrong. If anything self producing an album shows even greater talent and makes an artist MORE noteworthy, not less and many well recognized artists have albums that are not readily available as well. Maybe the original page needed an edit to correct wording but a complete delete is unfortunate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.53.47.110 (talk) 07:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)