Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astros-Mariners rivalry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Black Kite (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Astros-Mariners rivalry

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Just because two teams play in the same division does not make them "rivals". A couple headlines reading they "don't like each other" or fanblogs calling them "rivals" does not establish that they are indeed "rivals" to the point of having their own dedicated page. Instead, it's WP:FANCRUFT; there is no WP:LASTING impact from the situation on July 26, 2021, for instance. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE and Articles for deletion/Astros–Braves rivalry for a similar discussion. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Texas and Washington.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The closest thing that comes to a RS talking about a rivalry is the Seattle Times article and the context of that is within a singular season.  Skipple   ☎  20:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and below analysis of all the sources currently in the article. The only source one that might pass WP:GNG is the WP:LOCAL Seattle Times article referenced above. Most either don’t even describe the teams as “rivals” or use the term once or twice in the way any two teams could be described as competitors.  Frank   Anchor  00:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I found this article from MLB.com that perfectly sums up how both the Houston Astros & the Seattle Mariners are rivals. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Coverage must be both independent and significant in order to pass WP:GNG and this particular article is neither. It lacks independence as it is published by MLB, and it lacks significance because it is a a single paragraph that describes a recent playoff series between the two teams, does not describe any animosity between the teams, and only uses the term "rivalry" in the title (likely as a buzzword to manufacture hype).  Frank  Anchor  12:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "The spiciest rivalries in MLB right now, division by division". This reads as fan cruft. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per Frank Anchor's source analysis and lack of independent coverage. Not every divisional rivalry needs a Wikipedia page. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think there's more potential here than some of the other cruftier rivalry articles, but this doesn't quite cut it as of yet. There's not a huge history between the teams, and as a result this is mostly just a description of games from 2021 and 2022. Try again in a few years. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:15, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

2.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:2E07:2D00:B1E7:A021:6677:B211 (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Hang on a Second Gentlemen, I’ve found two other articles outlining the rivalry. Regardless of the depth in history, it seems to be an upstart divisional rivalry. 1.
 * The WSJ page is paywalled but an article that has "most lopsided rivalry" in the title and talks about how much one team has obliterated another team during a single season is not WP:SIGCOV of a rivalry ❌ (if anyone has more input of the full text, please add it to this discussion). The Sportskeeda page is routine coverage of players getting hit by pitches in games between the two teams. Players get hit by pitches all the time.  "Bean-ball wars" in which players on both sides get hit by pitches and fights occur are somewhat common in MLB.  That does not establish a rivalry. ❌  Frank   Anchor  13:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I was able to view the WSJ article. It does not discuss a rivalry beyond a story about how the Astros beat the Mariners 16 out of 17 times in 2019.  Not really a basis for a Wikipedia article about a notable rivalry. Rlendog (talk) 18:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per Frank Anchor's source analysis (Thank you) could not find enough SIGCOV. Equine-man (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.