Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asturix


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The result was   delete -- Y not? 15:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Asturix

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Non-notable, as noted below. Asturix is just a user adapter version of Ubuntu. There is no merit to it. Versions of which can be easily be done copying images and pasting them into a new version with Remastersys. Sources of the article are also related to the subject. There is an editor connected to the topic and who calls himself 'administrator' of the page. He's also insulting, calling others 'stupid' and does not provide sources of reference for his information. The 'developers' of Asturix have even copied the logo of the most prominent Spanish version Trisquel OsmanRF34 (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 June 2.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  21:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)  OK. OsmanRF34 (talk) 21:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: Distrowatch sais that Asturix is the 3rd Spanish distro, based on it "last six month" list, with 29 hits per day on its website (the most important one for distros) . As it shows, Asturix isn't a "user adapted version". What's more, it incorporates its own desktop interface, so that it isn't is a "remastersys ubuntu version". I call myself the "administrator" because I created and maintained it. And the logo was a creation of us, because Asturias (the origin of Asturix) and Galicia (the origen of Trisquel) share the celtic culture. That simbol is the logo of this culture, and it's called trisquel (search it if ou don't believe me). I think there is not any reason to delete this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richiguada (talk • contribs) 21:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Two more details: trisquel in English is triskelion, so the distro called trisquel copy the name and the logo, not us. --Richiguada (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course DW ins't a reliable way to measure the popularity of a distribution. But they FILTER the distributions they list, so they don't accept "slightly different from ubuntu distros". There are many reasons to accept the notabilty of Asturix. It has been noted by John "Maddog" Hall, here, it has been reviewed two times by DW, here and here. Genbeta, an important blog of software here in Spain, has also noted Asturix, here, and by a regional organization of CSIC's blogspot (CSIC is the most important spanish scientific association), here. Also, many spanish media has covered it, like La Nueva España, a regional newspaper, here, and in El Comercio, here. I think there isn't any evidence to say that Asturix isn't notable. What's more, the user OsmanRF34 is behaving with bias, and only because he don't like Asturix, rather than with a Wikipedia spirit. Also, his reasons are poor, and without any evidence. What's more, he is critizing my behavior instead of saying what's wrong with the article. His opinion don't have to be considered. Richiguada (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * In my view, OsmanRF34 don't really know the purpose of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, so, if you don't like something (like, for example, OsmanRF34 don't like Asturix), you have to admit it, because it's knowledge. OsmanRF34 has comitted, some errors, like WP:GF (when he simply mark Asturix article to delete, when he hadn't said why), WP:COI (he don't like derivatives, so he is comitting a COI), WP:DNB (I am new here in the English Wikipedia, and he is using that to attack the article) and WP:GAME (he is using his knowledge to defend his point of view, instead of saying why this cannot be in Wikipedia). The articles I used are in an interval of several years, so it is not a "puntual" support. In spite of that OsmanRF34 hasn't already said any reason for the deletion, I am gonna said some more proofs of the notability of Asturix. CENATIC, a state run association, talks a lot about Asturix (here, here, here, and here. There are more mentions, but are less important). There are some important spanish-speaking blog, like Pillateunlinux (here), LinuxHispano (here), glatelier (here). Even we have been covered two times by Somos Libres, probably the most important linux blog in South America (here and here). I think that is stupid to say more and more evidences that Asturix REALLY HAS notability. Only two more proofs: there are almost 100.000 entries on Google if you search Asturix, and almost 500 entries if you do so on Youtube. To sum up, this is not a "used adapted distribution", and it notability says that. --Richiguada (talk) 14:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Lastly, I think OsmanRF34's point of view is based on a great bias. If we think like him, Linux Mint has to deleted (it's a derivative, isn't it?), and all the minoritary distros, and all the spaniards ones (Guadalinex ,gnuLinEx, Linkat, LliureX, MAX, Molinux, Trisquel), and of course all the minoritary ones that appear here. If OsmanRF34 wants to delete the Asturix article, ok, do it, but BEFORE delete ALL the distros above mentioned. Firstly, OsmanRF34 should be unbiased, and then he will be able to do anything.--Richiguada (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * In a final comment, I think OsmanRF34 should show us any evidence of which he say. Both we are with bias, but I am showing evidences, and he isn't. So, if he don't tell us some factual data he should be banned form WK, because someone who is with bias, and that acts with bad faith shouldn't be here, sorry.--Richiguada (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete: DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free operating systems among the visitors of the website. They correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch was accessed each day, nothing more. But even if it did measure usage of a distribution, Asturix would be only at place 229. Worse than DoudouLinux but slightly better than StressLinux. On the top of that, users of DistroWatch are allowed to submit their dist for inclusion in the site. Definitely, being there doesn't imply anything.


 * Having a different desktop environment doesn't imply notability either.  KDE, GNOME, Xfce, LXDE, Unity, and Cinnamon cover almost all the ground in the area. Even if new desktop environments could get notable on their own, it's not up to WK to anticipate notability (which Asturix is far from reaching).


 * Above, Richiguada has confirmed again that he has a conflict of interest when editing this page. Add to this his bully attitude, which even leads him to say that "[he] only accept[s] the corrections if the accuser write first them in talk page." The page is not his private web-page. OsmanRF34 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  czar   &middot;   &middot;  05:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the author mis-understood the purpose of WK. It's specifically not trying to be a directory on all possible versions of anything, including Linux distributions. If one of them had some blog exposure one time, it won't make it notable, I'm afraid.


 * WK is not a free hosting site for information on each and every insignificant Linux distribution that has ever been created. If you really want a WK article on your distro, please do so on a public wikifarm. Yes, the fortune 500s have all good articles, because they are notable. But should we create 500 articles for Linux distros?


 * The strange thing about the post "by [the] CSIC blog (CSIC is the most important spanish scientific association)" is that it is hosted by blogspot. Is it endorsed at all by CSIC or is it just some blogger posting about a lot of topics? Anyway, I don't see that as establishing notability either.


 * I still maintain my criticism to the behavior of the self-proclaimed "administrator" of the page. OsmanRF34 (talk) 11:40, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 *  Note: : Richiguada deleted his talk-page "contribution": [], but it's relevant for the discussion. OsmanRF34 (talk) 11:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You are comitting WP:EQ ("Argue facts, not personalities.") Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 17:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete Yes, the editors who want to keep the article mostly have the burden of proof on notability. If there were some reliable independent sources then it might be notable some day. The current article does not cite any independent sources at all. The "roadmap" link seems dead. Maybe if there were releases in the past two years, there might have been some reporting of it at least in the trade press? Spanish language sources would count, but do not see any independent ones. W Nowicki (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, sir, but, dont you see Linux Mag and DistroWatch as "trade press"? If the sources I have shown aren't "independent sources", I don't really know what's "independent sources". Perphaps NYT, Huffington and so on? Sorry, but they will never cover linux issues. Sorry if I am being unpolite, but of course the article is quite old, because there have been new releases and many things, and the article hasn't been renewed, but I don't think that it deserves a deletion. Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 23:13, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * As it happens, both the New York Times and Huffington Post have extensively reported on Linux. If you had mattered to do the research before posting here you would have seen that. But the problem is not this. The problem is that some blogs reporting about some trivial aspect of Asturix or some random press releases years ago do not constitute notability. It makes it look more like Vaporware than something properly maintained. If it were the subject of manuals or were used at educational institutions of any level, then it would be a different story. OsmanRF34 (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you consider "vaporware" to appear in Linux Mag (here). Even Trisquel doesn't appear there (look at that). Why don't you delete the trisquel article before? Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 13:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * That's a blog post from 2011, hosted at Linux Mag and that matches the definition of vaporwater, confirming its non-notable status. It makes some noise but doesn't deliver nor is canceled.
 * If I am not wrong, that blog is a section of the printed magazine. At least, I am sure (because I have seen it) that the spanish version of Linux Mag have that section translated in Spanish. So if the spanish edition have it printed, it's obvious that the original one also has it. Richiguada ~ усилий и слава 16:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Even then, that would not fulfill WP:GNG or WP:NSOFT. It's a blog reporting about a trivial aspect of something. Simply recognizing the existence of something doesn't make it notable.
 * PS: if you believe the Trisquel article should be deleted, you could place it into AfD. OsmanRF34 (talk) 13:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:N, non-notable subject as illustrated by the lack of third party independent references cited. - Ahunt (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Fully NOTEable review here, passing mentions in dead-tree form. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This single source is from January 24, 2012, mentioning a trivial aspect of the desktop customization. Getting once attention from a source would only confirm its existence, but even then, Asturix neither had a historical role, nor panned out since then, becoming a notable product.WP:NSOFT should be used to analyze it here. Besides that, since when is Hectic Geek - on paper or not - a notable source? Being printed does not imply notability. OsmanRF34 (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a real review in a real source that meets all requirements for NOTEability. Can you offer a counterargument? Is it self-published? Non-independant? Recall that under NSOFT, which you suggest we consider here, states that "It is not unreasonable to allow relatively informal sources[3] for free and open source software". This is far more "real" than that level. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree that hectic geek is non-notable either. See below. Olmerta (talk) 14:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding informal sources, yes, they can be considered, but there is no need to consider them. If a Benevolent Dictator for Life makes a comment in a relevant forum, then it's an informal source that cannot even be ignored. But in this case, it looks like an article mill commenting about any topic. OsmanRF34 (talk) 16:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - although some blogs have recognized its creation some years ago, it has not more than an anecdotal value. Lack of sources in the recent past imply it didn't catch on. Olmerta (talk) 21:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Notability is not temporary, if an RS considered it notable at any time, it is notable now. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Asturix was non notable then, and hecticgeek is no RS. Hecticgeek is not an informal source of reference for the linux community. Or do you believe Asturix had historical value and presently has become deprecated? Their references is not more than a press release, simply stating Asturix's existence, not stating its importance, which is honestly none. Olmerta (talk) 14:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Going over the Hectic Geek website it all seems be written and published by one person under a pseudonym. It doesn't see to be a WP:RS and I would bet it is WP:SPS. - Ahunt (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought this was precisely what the NSOFT was talking about, but it appears I am wrong. KEEP withdrawn. SNOW close? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:SNOW would be appropriate from my point of view, given the consensus and that the AfD has been already running 6 days, which is fair enough. Although it won't make any difference to let it run one more day. OsmanRF34 (talk) 15:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per NSOFT. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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