Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atatürk's Main Principles


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After two relistings, there has not been a second community member who agrees with the nomination to delete. Further discussions should occur on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 16:08, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Atatürk's Main Principles

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Article treats (per lead) the The Six Arrows also described in Kemalism, which also has six principles. The content of the article is much better known as Kemalism which is also known as Atatürkism. Redirect it to Kemalism is a solution, Kemalism is also known as Atatürkism per its lead there. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  02:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 03:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Turkey. Shellwood (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Our coverage of these topics suffers from a good deal of conceptual confusion. There are at least two different concepts here that must be covered in at least two different articles. Kemalism, despite the definition in that article, is not a rigid ideology but a vague set of ideals left in the wake of Atatürk's death (the term was almost never used in his lifetime). Over the decades this was used almost as a blank canvas by mainstream Turkish ideologies and different versions of Kemalism e.g. left-wing Kemalism, right-wing Kemalism, "Atatürkism" (the post-1980 coup formulation i.e. Atatürkçülük) emerged. Now, the six pillars of Atatürk's principles (Atatürk ilkeleri) are only one formulation of this vague set of ideals as set forward in the 1931 CHP Congress. It is not the whole of Kemalism by any means, so it would be appropriate to summarise the relevant content in the Kemalism main article and signpost to this article for further information. Finally, the Six Arrows are often used synonymously with the six principles, but also refer to the graphic icon associated with the CHP. It may be worth debating whether we need to merge the article on the Six Arrows into this one, but AfD is not the appropriate venue for that discussion. For more information on what I've said here and the different subgroups within Kemalism in historical context, Modern Türkiye'de Siyasi Düşünce: Kemalizm (İletişim Yayınları, 2009) is an excellent read. --GGT (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So you want two articles about the same six principles from the same person? For the moment this is what the two articles are about. If then there is some editor with a serious knowledge on leftwing and right wing kemalism ok, but this two articles treat the same subject for the moment. Source number 2 is about Kemalism and is used to source two phrases of the first paragraph. Source number 1 is about the same six principles but uses a different term. That the integrative principles are a part of the main principles is WP:OR OR WP:SYNTH as long as they are not described in any source as such. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Nor on JSTOR or google scholar there is a hit, not one.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:02, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no OR/SYNTH here, what I’m saying is literally what the entire book that I’ve cited is about. The current name of the article isn’t appropriate (it shouldn’t be “main principles”) but that’s not a matter for AfD. GGT (talk) 10:22, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, 1 This source is independent and reliable. Sources may be in any language. This article's notability can be easily proven. I think that users needs to try to improve the articles first instead of nominating for deletion. Regards,-- Kadı   Message   11:22, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Asia and Europe.  Kadı    Message   11:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Leaning keep and improve. There are unsourced sections, but these can either be sourced or removed, to leave the parts that are definitively already sourced. BD2412  T 06:32, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.