Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ate-Oh-Ate


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Passes WP:GNG for me. Clearly a notable restaurant in Oregon and statewide coverage is good enough for me. There is also national coverage in Thrillist and WP:BASIC qualifies here.

Thanks everyone for participating. Unhappy with this decision? If one wishes to renominate this article with another policy-based rationale, they are able to do so. I will defer to other administrators to review it. I will not re-review my decision. Happy holidays. Missvain (talk) 16:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Ate-Oh-Ate

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Not notable Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 12:02, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per GNG (disclaimer: article creator). There's sufficient secondary coverage and the nomination is not even an assessment of sourcing or lack thereof. Sure, currently the article uses mostly (Wikipedia-appropriate) Eater Portland sources, but there are others to incorporate such as Google Books (example, example) and other publications: The Oregonian, Portland Mercury, Willamette Week, etc. Also, the restaurant is listed in quite a few "best of" lists, readers' polls, etc, which means there's enough coverage to flesh out the buildings blocks of a good restaurant article: Description, History, and Reception. I've promoted ~30 articles about Portland area restaurants to Good article status, so I'd like to think I have a decent understanding of sourcing requirements for restaurants. I think the article should be kept and expanded, not deleted. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficient coverage between Eater Portland, Willamette Week, the Sellwood Bee, all of which are currently used in the article. There's also (original, not reposted) Newsbreak coverage here; Oregon Live coverage here; Portland Food and Drink coverage here; Portland Mercury coverage here; and the books Another Believer listed above. Given Another Believer's track record on creating GAs for restaurants, I wouldn't be surprised to see this as a GA soon after it's been expanded. --Kbabej (talk) 16:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete run-of-the-mill restaurant, coverage is all local restaurant PR/churnalism/travel guide stuff, nothing here that gets above WP:MILL or demonstrates that it passes WP:NORG. SportingFlyer  T · C  18:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I see a dozen or so Oregonian articles which cover the restaurant, ranging from opening announcements to list inclusions ("cheap eats", best burgers, etc), and that's not even counting a dive into the online archives via library card. Seems a bit dismissive to throw the local/PR argument at the largest newspaper in Oregon and the second largest in the Pacific Northwest by circulation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There's nothing here satisfying the WP:AUD part of WP:NORG. Opening announcements and list inclusions are clearly routine per WP:NORG. This is going to be kept because of the consensus, but the consensus so far has completely misapplied our guidelines - there's lots of references but I can't find one that passes our requirements for organisations. Many of them are inclusions on lists: NORG specifically says inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in "best of", "top 100", "fastest growing" or similar lists is trivial coverage. Many of them are short press release type blurbs. This is just a local restaurant in a city where local restaurants get local coverage, and there's nothing I've found that suggests otherwise. Are there any feature articles on this? Has any press from outside Portland covered the restaurant significantly? SportingFlyer  T · C  12:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article has reliable sources, no advertisements/promotions and good coverage SassyGamer483 (talk) 20:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I rechecked the sources properly, and I realized that these sources are not independent and in-depth.  It is not in-depth about the restaurant. Another source  This is not independent and journalist has not analysed anything in this. and this source is  not in-depth again.  This is written by a college prof. He is a contributor, not reliable.Juggyevil (talk) 11:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You're implying none of the sources are appropriate, when that's not the case, and mentioning sources like portlandfoodanddrink.com is not helpful because the source is not used in the article and I'd never use on Wikipedia. I logged into the Oregonian archives and there are ~20 additional sources to review. I'll see if I can expand the article further soon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: 31 references from 6 different sources. In my opinion, three references from two different sources already suffices as notable, so a deletion is unwarranted. The two delete votes I think are wrong in that a) not all the sources are travel guides and b) I've checked all the sources, and they all seem fine. I'm sure this article could use some expansion, but as a C-class article it's not bad.  Gerald WL  03:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


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