Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athena School of Management


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Athena School of Management

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Contested PROD with "This page should not be deleted as it is relevant information on an educational institute. While the institution may not have many of sources as it is a new institute, there are enough sources to qualify an entry on Wikipedia (refer to sources 4, 6, 7)". This is a promotional article for a business that fails to meet WP:ORG. § FreeRangeFrog 16:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Management-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - all sources are either from the subject school, its commercial affiliates or from social networking sites. A long way from having enough "significant coverage" to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Stalwart 111  03:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Reference no. 6 is from an independent source - Australian Council for Private Education & Training (ACPET) - commenting on the tie up between Australian Vocational Training & Education Group (AVTEG) and Athena School of Management (ASM). Furthermore, this tie-up is important and notable as AVTEG is a partner with the National Skill Development Corporation (NSDC) (http://www.nsdcindia.org/) a non–for–profit public – private partnership set up by the Indian Ministry of Finance with an aim to skill or upskill 150 million Indians by 2022. Ajain001 (talk) 17:51, 23 November 2012‎ (UTC) — Ajain001 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * (Note: I signed your comment for you - you can use ~ to sign your comments) - the problem with the source you cite is that it isn't really significant coverage of the subject which we need per WP:GNG and/or WP:CORPDEPTH. It's a passing mention of the subject within an article about a connected organisation's event. Per WP:INHERIT, the subject does not gain notability because of an "important relationship". Whether or not another organisation (AVTEG or NSDC) might be notable doesn't really have an impact on this subject. We need significant coverage of the subject in independent reliable sources for it to be considered notable. If you have some sources that fit the bill, I'm sure people would be keen to consider them. Stalwart 111  11:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Not yet notable: "the first batch of Athena will commence from January 7, 2013". This means classes have not yet started.  All actually existing degree granting universities are notable, but I can not find in any of their material that they will actually offer a degree--they refer only to their "post-gratuate programme"  In the context of Indian higher education, this probably means that, so far from obtaining any type of accreditation or psudo-accreditation to offer a degree, they have not yet made arrangements for a degree to be given to those completing their course by some institution having some sort of authorization to do so..   As the School will not have any graduates until 2015, I suppose there is no actual need for degrees yet.  What they need now is enough advertising to attract students. We're not the place for it.
 * I note, btw, that the article has 4 photographs, all of the very same building--and it is clear from their slideshow that they occupy only a small part of it. And  their arrangement with AVTEG is for that consultancy   to help them "develop"  courses--AVTEG is not an educational institution, and is probably non-notable--NSDC probably is, but that's yet another step removed  DGG ( talk ) 02:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - "This is a page about a bonafide institution giving valid education and degrees". An article in wiki should not be judged by whether the subject is new or old. It should be judged by whether it is relevant and reliable or not. The page gives accurate information about Athena. NO false claims are stated or made. The institution give degrees from Gulbarga University (which is a Govt. of India & UGC Accredited University).It is also partnering the Australian Institute of Management - Western Australia (AIMWA). Just because the first batch starts in January 2013 does not make it any less relevant. A school does not become relevant only once the students graduate from it. If that was the case then no secondary school would be relevant for at least 10 years! The page is a reliable source of information for people who may want to know more about the subject matter. That is the whole purpose of Wikipedia. Also as an institution gathers age and momentum it gets more and more coverage from citable sources. Information and knowledge are only as relevant as the people who crave them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.73.109.82 (talk) 11:35, 24 November 2012 (UTC)  — 182.73.109.82 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Where is the Gulbarga University degree relationship verifiable: I don't see it mentioned on Athena's website? As User:DGG observed, the site seems rather shy of mentioning certification of Athena's forthcoming courses. AllyD (talk) 17:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go   Phightins  !  01:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  08:21, 2 December 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete - a startup without verifiable track record, in an industry where many more fail than survive even to first class graduation. More promotion than information in the article. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH by a mile. Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails every measure of WP:ORG. Richigi (talk) 13:25, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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