Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athenais of Media Atropatene


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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 06:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Athenais of Media Atropatene

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Likely fails WP:V, and if not that, then at least WP:BASIC and WP:NOTGENEALOGY are not satisfied. Not one of the sources here (the majority unreliable anyway) so much as mention the subject. One of them, "Athenais article at Ancient Library" (an internet copy of the 19th-century DGRBM) is about two other people, Athenais Philostorgos I and Athenais Philostorgos II, both of which belong to the same family as the alleged subject -- so there's actually a large possibility of confusion here. WP:BEFORE-hand check: the PW, which is probably the best and largest classics encyclopedia, has no individual entry on any "Athenais of Media Atropatene", whereas a Google search returns (after discarding Wikipedia forks/mirrors) almost invariably one of the two "Athenais Philostorgos" I mentioned earlier. The part about the coinage is referenced to a numismatics website which, again, does not identify her; that entire section appears to be WP:OR and may, for all I know, be 100% bogus. The rest of the article is just filler genealogical trivia: maternal and paternal grandparents, uncle and aunt-in-marriage, basically nothing about the subject itself. Even ignoring the question of verifiability, there just doesn't seem to be enough information to write an article about this.

I PRODed this a couple months ago, but the notice was removed by you-know-who, with no justification as usual, so I have to bring this here. Avilich (talk) 00:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment Terrible sourcing. I note that Darius II of Media Atropatene is entirely based on the same - a personal web page (now dead) and a Usenet post. Whatever happens with this AfD, someone should do a patrol and purge of Wikipedia for all mentions of the latter (the Baldwin reference). Agricolae (talk) 01:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * for what it's worth, I found this discussion from 2016, involving an individual who seems to be the Baldwin in question. He and another participant did see this very page and both seem completely perplexed by the claims made here. So, apparently, not even that obscure Baldwin source supports what the article says: another reason for regarding this person as fake. Avilich (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete I am unable to find anything to satisfy WP:V. If, at least, the coinage could be verified as depicting someone of this name, I would support Redirect to Artavasdes I of Media Atropatene per WP:PAGEDECIDE. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to her husband. The existence of coins (if real) with her name on means that we ought to have a redirect.  I suspect that there will be RS for the genealogy.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:58, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * but that's precisely the point, there aren't any such coins, and for all I know she doesn't even exist. Did you even read the nomination or the article? I also don't know what could possibly be merged, considering the article is 50% genealogy cruft and 50% unverifiable OR. Avilich (talk) 18:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


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