Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athletes Alley


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Arguments for keeping and merging are almost split so a possible merge can be discussed further on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Athletes Alley

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Non-notable project. This artistic project failed. The sculpture was not implemented for the Beijing Olympics. Any predictions as to its later implementation (for example in 2012) must be considered speculative and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Consequently as the article is factually incorrect and cannot be corrected with sufficient sources to make it factual rather than speculative, it should be deleted. Ash (talk) 09:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep There are numerous reliable sources that mention this  . I wasn't able to find any sources giving the details of what happened to the project. Where did you get the idea that it was never implemented; I found  a picture of it here. That site also discusses the sculpture in a wider context, which implies notability.  Them  From  Space  15:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (reply) You will note that no source, including the 3 you mention, confirms that the sculpture was completed or at any time open to the public in time for the Olympic Games. The location of the sculpture was changed due to re-planning and was not open in time (according to this document dated 13 September 2008, the games were in August 2008). A political failure costing more than 5 millions euros is hardly going to be publicized as an unfinished project, so a lack of confirming sources is unsurprising.—Ash (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The source you mention gives even more credit to notability, which on Wikipedia is significant discussion of the subject in reliable, third-party sources. Even if the project wasn't completed in time, we shouldn't delete its mention if this information is supported by reliable sources.  Them From  Space  15:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 19:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to agree with ThemfromSpace. I edited out the obvious vanity language, and its pretty much just an unsourced stub now- if someone wants to add in the above-mentioned citations, that would be great.  Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 21:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  01:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep Notability is demonstrated through the sources given above. Jujutacular talkcontribs 22:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Merge. There are enough sources, but they need to be used in the article (see WP:REFB). The nom has failed to notice, it seems, that there is ample coverage of the project and the sculpture, regardless of any success or otherwise of its installation on time.  Ty  11:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Olivier Strebelle. I don't see enough for an article in its own right, but the artist seems notable.  freshacconci  talk talk  11:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Olivier Strebelle per Freshacconci. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbod (talk • contribs)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.