Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athletics at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Boys' 10 kilometre walk


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. I don't think it is the best idea to establish a notability subguideline based purely off the outcome of one mass AfD. Therefore, as there seems to be no clear consensus on whether the Youth Olympics qualify as a competition whose events are notable under WP:NSPORT. Before this AfD happens again, a larger discussion needs to occur to determine whether the events of the Youth Olympics are notable enough for their own articles. The last AfD on this, Articles for deletion/Canoeing at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls' K1 slalom, included far fewer delete !votes than this one, but further discussion on the Youth Olympics' status is still necessary. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  00:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Athletics at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Boys' 10 kilometre walk

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All of these appear to be poorly referenced, non-notable events (the links are dead, by the way) and their content seem nothing more than series of templates containing collections of details and/or trivia. I propose that whatever salvageable material there be, if there are any left, be merged into the main article, Athletics at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. :| TelCo NaSp  Ve :|  10:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep — the dead links are fixable, I was planning to go around to fix them. As individual events at an International Olympic Committee-banner Olympic Games, these events are certainly not "non-notable". I'm going to have to be guilty on WP:OTHERSTUFF here, but there are articles just like these (as in, almost empty but for results and dead links) for senior Olympics too. There has also been a prior deletion discussions on Youth Olympics events, which closed as keep: Articles for deletion/Canoeing at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics – Girls' K1 slalom. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 10:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  — :| TelCo  NaSp  Ve :|  10:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete redlink farm. The youth olympics don't have even a thousandth the notability of the real Olympics, and this level of detail on them violates WP:NOT.  Encyclopedias don't include a record of every time someone runs around a track or tosses a ball. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not wishing to sway commentators, I wish to say here that the claim that the YOG doesn't "have even a thousandth the notability of the real Olympics" is questionable. Thanks. A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 12:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all per NSPORT which states: "Events at individual Summer or Winter, Olympic or Paralympic Games are considered notable, e.g. Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race or Skeleton at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's" The Youth Olympics is the internationally recognised version for youngsters. Also, all the competetors are notable, per WP:ATHLETE. Just because they're red-linked, doesn't mean they're not notable.  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Lugnuts.--Arxiloxos (talk) 23:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep seems to pass GNC, also per Strange and Lugnuts  Pur ple  back pack 89    05:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete All: Alright, this is a protest vote more than anything else, but c'mon. Lugnuts is wrong.  WP:ATHLETE excludes anything below the senior Olympics and the Paralympics.  That the Youth Olympics is the internationally recognized version for youngsters does not automatically follow that they've been included in WP:ATHLETE - any more that the numerous internationally sanctioned youth competitions in other sports have been - and I invite Lugnuts to link to the consensus that they have. "Seems to pass GNC" [sic] is not good enough; I'd like to see some evidence that it does before anyone claims that it does, please.   Ravenswing  13:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, with the explicit understanding that this does NOT mean that the individual athletes are notable. I'd ve willing to perhaps accept that the winner of each event might be, but nothing further.   DGG ( talk ) 23:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Youth Olympics is on an equivalent level, possibly higher, to IAAF World Junior Championships and Youth World Championships, which are specifically enumerated by WP:ATHLETE and specifically these events that are part of the sport referred to here as Athletics. This particular meet did not exist at the time the guideline was written but the parallel to the two events is undeniable.  Thus the athletes and event articles deserve the equivalent treatment.  Gold medalists are notable, no caveats allowed.  The purpose of guidelines is to serve as a guide of intent.  Like a constitutional argument, you can't claim that since something is not specifically enumerated that it is automatically excluded.  Quite the opposite, the intent is clear. Trackinfo (talk) 22:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hold on! Trackinfo, while I very much respect your work, you should disclose that you were quite involved in writing up the guidelines for the new version of WP:ATHLETE. I do not think you cannot objectively claim that there is clarity of intent in something you helped draft. I cannot find anything in the talk page archives for WP:ATHLETE that makes me believe there was consensus on the point that specific events within Youth or Junior games should get the same treatment as the Olympic games. Location (talk) 04:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete all per NSPORT. This is not the Olympics. !Votes implying so should be disregarded. However, I guess this warrants an RfC or something? It's a lot of articles. People has been working here, sadly, on something entirely lacking notability :-/. The massive amounts of redlinks on every single page should serve as a warning. Greswik (talk) 07:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's been claiming this is the Olympics? No one. What's been rightly said is this is the IOC-approved, IOc-run version of the senior Games for 14-18 year olds. That in itself, the fact that it's under the IOC banner, would appear to discount your rationale. StrPby (talk) 08:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all, doesn't meet the GNG or NSPORTS. The Youth Olympics are not the Olympics. Fram (talk) 08:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - let's not delete for the sake of deleting. If the concern is redlinks, remember that these are 14-18 year olds who easily could be notable in two to six years as they progress up the pro ladder. I'd ask that if this is deleted, the closing admin please userfy all the content to User:Strange Passerby/2010YOGAth. StrPby (talk) 08:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, the event is notable under WP:ATHLETE as an elite international competition. This is sanctioned by the IOC, just like the Paralympics.  Subsequently each gold medalist is NOW notable, because of their participation in this event, though they are so new to the scene that an article has yet to be written about them.  As mentioned above, they are more likely to have an article written as they advance in their careers, or possibly also if this becomes their highest achievement.  This event is so recent, time has not had the opportunity to get this done.  You can't hold red links against them or this article.  I repeat this on AfD so often, but nobody listens:  there is no reason to rush to judgement, to rush to delete.  Deletion ruins any potential an article has.  It hides the work anybody else has already done and places a stigma on an article that potentially leads to future speedy deletion.  I'm particularly sensitive to this territory because I am the guy who is writing the articles (like James Stallworth (athlete) and Obea Moore) about flash in the pan elite youth athletes.  But this is so recent, even I don't know which of these will generate enough significance for my attention . . . yet. Trackinfo (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Not the highest level of athletic competition. This is youth games. Not a single person in several random samples from above even has their own page. Sven Manguard  Talk  03:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:NOTSTATS, WP:NOTMIRROR, and WP:ATHLETE/NSPORT: the Youth Olympics are not the Olympics. Location (talk) 04:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - There has been no discussion on whether or not to include the Youth Olympics in NSPORT. Therefore, I ask the closing admin to consider this when judging arguments to delete (or, indeed, keep) citing the above guideline. StrPby (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.