Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metres


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No consensus has formed from this discussion, which has received adequate input. This close does not preclude renomination of articles separately or in a bundled format. In the case of the latter, bundling with a lesser amount of articles would be functional, such as by sport type, to better-enable community input without users having to delineate between a high quantity of articles. North America1000 05:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metres

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Very similar to a recently closed AfD (located here). There are many more of these broken out events with no individual notability and no extra information beyond stats. WP:NOTSTATSBOOK applies. Give me a bit; I'm going to nominate the lot of them under this AfD discussion. ~ RobTalk 12:05, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

With the deepest of sympathies to whoever closes this discussion, I nominate the following articles as well. Please note that they are all extremely similar in content, with main pages existing separately that cover primary results, and the additional information on these pages consisting primarily of additional statistics. It seems all of them have only primary sources, as well. These can all be handled in the main articles. ~ RobTalk 13:05, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 400 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 800 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 1500 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 5000 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 10,000 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 3000 metres steeplechase
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's marathon
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 20 kilometres walk
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's hammer throw
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 5000 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 10,000 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 3000 metres steeplechase
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's marathon
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 20 kilometres walk
 * Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's long jump
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 3 metre springboard
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 10 metre platform
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's synchronized 3 metre springboard
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's synchronized 10 metre platform
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 3 metre springboard
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 10 metre platform
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's synchronized 3 metre springboard
 * Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's synchronized 10 metre platform
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 400 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 1500 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre backstroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre backstroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre backstroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre breaststroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre breaststroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre breaststroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre butterfly
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre butterfly
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre butterfly
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre individual medley
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 400 metre individual medley
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 4 × 100 metre freestyle relay
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 4 × 200 metre freestyle relay
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 4 × 100 metre medley relay
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 400 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 800 metre freestyle
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre backstroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre backstroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre backstroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre breaststroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre breaststroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre breaststroke
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre butterfly
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre butterfly
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre butterfly
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre individual medley
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 400 metre individual medley
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 4 × 100 metre freestyle relay
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 4 × 200 metre freestyle relay
 * Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 4 × 100 metre medley relay
 * Synchronised swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's free combination
 * Synchronised swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
 * Synchronised swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's duet
 * Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's singles
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's singles
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's doubles
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's doubles
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Mixed doubles
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team
 * Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
 * Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-1 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-1 1000 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-2 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-2 1000 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-1 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-1 1000 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-2 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-2 1000 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-4 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-4 1000 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's C-1 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-1 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-1 500 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-2 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-2 500 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-4 200 metres
 * Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-4 500 metres
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's épée
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team épée
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's foil
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team foil
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's sabre
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team sabre
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's épée
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team épée
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's foil
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team foil
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's sabre
 * Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team sabre
 * Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's artistic team
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's artistic individual all-around
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's floor
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's pommel horse
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's rings
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's vault
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's parallel bars
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's horizontal bar
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's artistic team
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's artistic individual all-around
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's vault
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's uneven bars
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's balance beam
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's floor
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's rhythmic group all-around
 * Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's rhythmic individual all-around
 * Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Laser Standard
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 470
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Windsurfing RS:X
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Optimist
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Match Racing Keelboat
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Laser Radial
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 420
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Fleet Racing Keelboat
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Team Racing Laser Standard
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Laser Radial
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 470
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Windsurfing RS:X
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Skiff 49er FX
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Optimist
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Match Racing Keelboat
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Youth Laser Radial
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 420
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Fleet Racing Keelboat
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Team Racing Laser Radial
 * Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Team Racing Optimist
 * Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
 * Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
 * Squash at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team
 * Squash at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's singles
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's doubles
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's singles
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's doubles
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
 * Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Mixed doubles
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Singles
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Doubles
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Team
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Singles
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Doubles
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Team
 * Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Mixed Doubles
 * Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
 * Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's changquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's weapons
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's barehand
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's nanquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's taijiquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's compulsory taijiquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's taijijian
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's broadsword
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's cudgel
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's sanda 60 kg
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's sanda 65 kg
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's changquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's weapons
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's barehand
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's nanquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's taijiquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's compulsory taijiquan
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's taijijian
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's straight sword
 * Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's spear


 * Delete all I like the sound of some of these events - Women's weapons; Men's cudgel; Women's Youth Laser Radial;&c. But I agree with the nomination that these pages are too detailed and statistical in nature.  The summary level articles such as Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games seem ample and even they don't have any evidence that this stuff is notable. Andrew D. (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * This is just a bit lazy. Oppose. – It may well be that most of "this stuff" is overly detailed and better covered at the summary level, so you're probably 95% right, but that doesn't quite cover deleting all of the 180-odd pages on the copy'n'paste list suppplied by the nominator.


 * For a start, it's not relevant whether the summary level articles "have any evidence that this stuff is notable" or not. Notabilty is a function of the subject regardless of the adequacy of the article. There are numerous secondary sources to be found about Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games for example. Here's one that piqued some interest :) .... Thousands back gymnast in 'genitalia' row at SEA Games


 * More to the point, though, sufficient secondary sources exist for the SEA Games team sports tournaments:

Women's basketball:
 * http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/12/15/indonesia-upsets-philippines-sea-games-womens-basketball
 * http://sports.inquirer.net/183913/2015-sea-games-womens-basketball-gold-still-within-reach-as-ph-downs-malaysia http://sports.inquirer.net/183913/2015-sea-games-womens-basketball-gold-still-within-reach-as-ph-downs-malaysia

Women's volleyball (I won't bother with listing the men's versions - the sources will exist):
 * http://sports.inquirer.net/183906/1st-win-in-10-years-ph-sweeps-malaysia-in-2015-sea-games-womens-volleyball
 * http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/592861/thailand-still-top-as-sea-games-enters-final-two-days

Women's Rugby
 * http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/sports/2015/06/20/dragons-try-rugby-414355
 * https://www.redsports.sg/2015/06/06/mixed-results-for-singapore-on-first-day-of-preliminaries/

Women's water polo
 * https://sg.sports.yahoo.com/news/thailand-stun-singapore-to-take-women-s-sea-games-water-polo-gold-123329480.html
 * http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/592861/thailand-still-top-as-sea-games-enters-final-two-days

Women's floorball (I don't know much about this but it seemed to have made the webnews in the UK and Australia):
 * https://au.sports.yahoo.com/a/28457140/singapore-sweep-floorball-in-sea-games-debut/
 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3114129/Games-More-problems-floorball-venue-switched.html

I propose that the following pages at a minimum be removed from the AfD list. -- Ham105 (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
 * Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
 * Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
 * Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
 * Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament


 * Delete all: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Esquivalience t 18:46, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Divide Debates: I have a hard time just approving a blanket deletion. For the 2011 Pan Arab Games many sports have just the summaries (a similarly sized and situated games).  However, there is a full results page for athletics and individual pages for men's football and men's goalball while detailed pages are present for men's and women's sports such as basketball.  I would suggest either evaluating sport-by-sport or maybe better remove the team events from the list since those do seem to be treated differently.  Olympic sports may gain more coverage/detail than non-Olympics.  Asian martial arts may be more important than those in traditional English speaking nations may understand (e.g., Wushu was essentially a demonstration sport at the 2008 Olympics - see Wushu Tournament Beijing 2008).  I think each sport should be viewed on its own merit.  That way, for example, athletics overall can be looked at without having to separately evaluate the 100m and the 200m. RonSigPi (talk) 21:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep some: In particular the pages on team sports. The point User:RonSigPi makes for evaluating these by sport is a good one. Having twenty different pages for each race distance at a swimming championships might be difficult to justify short of Olympic or World level of competition. On the other hand, articles for men's and women's tournaments such as Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men and Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women have become common practice. This is especially so for Olympic-recognised sports, not withstanding RonSigPi's valid point about Asian martial arts, which may be also be notable. -- Ham105 (talk) 23:29, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Standard practice does not preclude actual policy such as WP:NOTSTATBOOK. Could you point out what information in the men's and women's specific articles for Volleyball serves an additional encyclopedic purpose beyond the general article? The entire content consists of a schedule of matches with detailed sports statistics and a listing of the team members. ~ RobTalk 00:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Actual policy such as WP:NOTSTATBOOK doesn't preclude sports statistics or listing players' names. Otherwise there wouldn't a 30,000-character page listing players in a Football Draft from 75 years ago or a 20,000-character page listing 100 English Football match results from that same era.

It comes down to basic questions such as whether the subject is notable and (if so) whether it makes sense to be on it's own page or merged into another article. Separate men's and women's tournament pages have been commonly used for team sports at multi-sport events. Is there a consensus now to merge these pages? The difference between having one page or two is minor — what I oppose is a blanket "Delete all" of the contents. WP:NOTSTATBOOK goes to excessive or indiscriminate listing of statistics. A few dozen match results is hardly that.

In terms of notability, these are tournaments for national teams which generate significant independent coverage within the region. Foreign media outlets also cover these events, as in this story about calls for gender testing in the Southeast Asian Games women's volleyball tournament.

As stated in my reply to Andrew D. above, there are sufficient secondary sources to support their sporting and cultural significance as matters of public interest. Also as per WP:NOTE, the content of the articles and whether or not the pages are well cited does not affect this notability of the subject. -- Ham105 (talk) 10:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: what information is not already in the relevant subsection can be merged without losing anything. I would even nominate those subsection (for example Syncronised swimming etc) if they don't achieve standalone notability. A very quick google search on the basketball tournament generated a few links, there's quite a large english press in the region so if it's not possible to find non-primary sources it shouldn't be listed in my opinion. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 22:42, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Point of order: By the way I'm reading "These can all be handled in the main articles", this means it's not really a "delete" vote, where everything would be gone, but a "merge" vote to put all of the information to main in the Southeast Asian Games article. Am I right? If I'm right, then does the "delete all per nom" votes which aren't from the nominator invalid? – H T  D  15:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't read it as a Merge vote but the notable information (i.e.. Medal winners) is already summarized in the main article).Peter Rehse (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * PRehse is correct. The medal winners are summarized in the main article, and honestly, that's all that's needed for this level of competition. Dates/times of specific events and the name of that one guy who earned 394th place aren't necessary. Thank you for asking for clarification; I should have been much more clear. ~ RobTalk 17:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete all. At the level of competition the level of detail is far too much.  In all cases the notable information is already in the summary article.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:33, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep men's basketball as I should have expanded it well enough to satisfy notability concerns. I'd see what I can do with women's basketball and both volleyball tournaments... – H T  D  19:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to sport level results pages, along the lines of Athletics at the 2011 Pan Arab Games – Results, per RonSigPi. This is a much more appropriate level of coverage given that there is such limited independent coverage of individual events, but lots of coverage of the events and their results as a group. The spun-out results pages are an elegant solution (particularly for athletics) where description and results of 40+ events, plus medal tables, plus medallists, plus participation, plus records is plainly not an elegant way to build a stand-alone article (though any good coverage of the events would include those facets). For reference, previous discussions about this at WP:WikiProject Athletics have leaned towards grouping specific event articles into sport-wide ones at lower prestige competitions, and particularly ones that feature so many small, straight finals. For an example of this inelegance of presentation see Athletics at the 2009 Southeast Asian Games. SFB 21:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Procedural note:Does anyone have objections to striking all team tournaments from the above nominations and separately considering them? I'd quite like to avoid a procedural keep, as it took ages to get all of these nominated and there appears to be consensus that a large majority of these should be deleted. We can consider the team ones separately. Specifically, I'd like to strike the following and immediately renominate them separately for procedural reasons. ~ RobTalk 22:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
 * Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
 * Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
 * Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
 * Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
 * Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
 * So it took ages and the concern is that the effort put in might possibly go to waste? ... Interesting.
 * (– I'm just joking, and support the Split debates). Per SFB, most can be covered at sport level pages. -- Ham105 (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd actually disagree on both points there. First, I think there are some very strong points to be made about retaining this information in a different way (these can be merged to the "SPORT at 2015 SEA Games" articles that no one has contested the validity of). Second, I think the above tournament pages in any case should be merged to the parent sport articles. For example Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games has very little information (3,535 bytes), as have the men's and women's tournament articles (<10KB). I don't think there is potential for extensive expansion on the information already there (maybe just some brief game descriptions). The additional Men/Women tournament bifurcations actually make this information more difficult to read as it could easily be done so on one page. I think we should merge all the above articles in the most appropriate way (i.e. to the main article when little information, to a " – Results" article if that would disrupt the readability of the main. SFB 11:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep some of the articles (particularly the team sports pages). I created some of them and just don't want all my efforts deleted. Just kidding, basically I don't think all of them should be deleted. Sports like badminton, basketball, volleyball, swimming, water polo, athletics, tennis were quite notable and already have some sort of "history" in the Games. Also, I feel that wushu, canoeing, and rowing results can be merged with the respective main page(s) or deleted if necessary. SFB's idea is also quite good in handling these kind of results. Griff88 (talk) 08:27, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I think the whole thing should be withdrawn, with an RfC raised to establish which of these type of multi-sport/multi-country games should have detail down to this level. Technically only the Olympics are covered currently (although WP:GNG should beat this guide if push came to shove).  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 16:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all the information, if necessary by merging. Where articles will be too long after merging (for instance table tennis, badminton, tennis) please keep the current situation. For very short articles merging would be a way to go. Also look at the way the sports are doing it in other games like Olympics or PanAm Games. For the mentioned sports it is very common, to split games results into the single disciplines because there are very long results sections. --Florentyna (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * How do you reconcile keeping the detailed information with WP:NOTSTATSBOOK? ~ RobTalk 11:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think point #3 linked through NOTSTATSBOOK actually provides a good basis for merging to a single results page per sport (the Presidential article examples are a very good parallel). Once contextualised with a bit more prose, this type of information clearly passes that threshold. On that reading, arguably the issue is over the standard of prose in the above articles and less so that these statistics are indiscriminate, sprawling or unreadable (I certainly don't find that the case). SFB 23:39, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Regrettably, this should be a procedural keep. I'll renominate in smaller bits over a long period of time to avoid spamming the AfD system, even if I believe the discussions will evolve in essentially the same way. ~ RobTalk 11:18, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * More like a procedural No consensus. Saw this coming with too many all at once.  It was far easier with located here where the excess was clear.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I understand the sentiment behind this mass nomination, but I think it should have been broken up into smaller chunks. I would make the general comment that, unless an unusual amount of coverage can be shown, I would recommend all individual event articles be deleted.  I think one article per sport can probably be justified.  I think it's also important to remember that these aren't even a continental games we're talking about. Papaursa (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep All: I've found the source of the article on sport 2015 Southeast Asian Games very accurate. Why did you delete the article on sport 2015 Southeast Asian Games? Do you want to message alerts about sports article 2015 Southeast Asian Games of me? Boyconga278 (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


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