Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlantic Monthly Top 100


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 23:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Atlantic Monthly Top 100

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Tricky one - whether the list itself is notable is one thing, but given that 80% of the article consists only of the list makes it a copyvio problem. Having said that, I'm unsure that it qualifies for CSD#G12, so brought here for discussion. Black Kite 15:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Another silly list that needs to diiiiie. Copyvio, lack of notability, no references. &#9775; Zenwhat (talk) 16:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a notable list at this time. --Pontificalibus (talk) 16:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge with primary article on the magazine, deleting the list, Wikipedia is not a repository of primary sources. Drawn Some (talk) 18:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete What this was, was a list of "100 most influential Americans" as chosen by ten panelists for the Atlantic Monthly for its December 2006 issue. Honest Abe was #1.  Generally, lists of this type aren't copyrighted, because they're a publicity stunt for the magazine, and an effective advertisement when they get written about in Wikipedia.  People Magazine wants to remind folks that it publishes a list of sexiest people, and Atlantic Monthly probably loves being mentioned as the source for this, and other thought-provoking articles that you can find every month at a savings of more than 50 percent off of the newsstand price... but Wikipedia is not supposed to be an advertisement for Atlantic Monthly, and there is nothing significant about ten persons' opinions (in 2006) about who they thought the 100 most influential Americans had been.  Mandsford (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Mandsford's argument isn't 100% correct--it was a one-time list (as was The Greatest American, albeit a more dubious one, plus we should wait until the copyright thing resolves Purplebackpack89 (talk) 04:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But what's your argument in favor of keeping an article about this particular list? Has it been referred to in books, newspapers, magazines that don't begin with the letter "A"?  Mandsford (talk) 22:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to think that this is just an advertisement for the Atlantic, and by extension that I am an Atlantic plant. I'm not.  I felt that the list was provocative among many intellectual circles and as worthy as other lists currently on Wikipedia...plus I feel, unlike many trigger-happy people, that we must err on the side of KEEPING an article rather than DELETING it, which just decreases the amount of knowledge on this site.  In short, Keep, at least until after copyvio resolves, and disregard Mansford's attack and comparison to People.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplebackpack89 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you have misunderstood my argument. There was no attack on any person.  None of us are "trigger-happy"; certainly, I can appreciate your frustration on having an article that you've worked on nominated for deletion.  I don't believe that there's any copyright violation, but the issue of whether people believe there is would be resolved through this debate.  The question most of us would ask is whether the Atlantic Monthly list has been referred to by "independent" sources, one of the requirements for showing notability.  Mandsford (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you're the one arguing that nobody ever cared about it, and since I can't go online much right now because my parents say so, I'd say the onus is on you to prove that nothing was said about this outside of the Atlantic Purplebackpack89 (talk) 00:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe you can find someone else who will agree with you. Mandsford (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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