Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlas Terrier


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Jack Russell terrier .  MBisanz  talk 00:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Atlas Terrier
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Notability as a breed has never been established, and no reliable sources appear to be available to establish notability. Non-reliable sources as well as the talk page seem to indicate that the Atlas Terrier originated from a single breeder, who created the article. The article has finally acquired references, but they pertain more to the breeder than to Atlas Terriers, making this article something of a coatrack. The incident detailed in the references may belong in WikiNews, but overshadows the actual subject of this article, and does little to justify keeping it. Shunpiker (talk) 18:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC) http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/CHIEN_DE_LATLAS.htm
 * Comment Do we have a breed standard? The article sounds like a newspaper news. There is no information about the dogs. (except that they have been treater awful) Warrington (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, there is no guideline established specifically for dog breed notability, although there has been discussion on the matter. The general notability guideline suggests that a topic should have received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" in order to be presumed notable. In this case, Atlas Terriers do not seem to have received such coverage. -- Shunpiker (talk) 19:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The poor doggy, Ok, found some things http://www.freebase.com/view/user/mikeshwe/pet_breeds/dog_breed_group

http://purebreadpupsa-z.blogspot.com/2007/01/atlas-terrier.html h ttp://www.greatdogsite.com/breeds/details/Atlas_Terrier/, but I am not sure... But still I have to admit I never heard of the breed and Jack Russels were for a lond time (or are still not. Not sure) considered as a breed. Maybe we should just wait and see what will happen, one can always create a new article if and when they are registered. Warrington (talk) 13:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The "Chien d'atlas" is a different breed, related to sheepdogs. The other references are from self-published sources, freebase and blogspot. I contested the application of the hoax tag to this article, because enough non-reliable sources are available to indicate that the topic was not just made up for wikipedia. But I have yet to find any reliable sources which mention atlas terriers, aside from the newspaper article which mentions that atlas terriers were present when the Autumn Briar Kennel was raided. -- Shunpiker (talk) 15:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

What they asy is this: ''Atlas Terriers are direct descendants of the Jack Russell Terrier. One distinguishing difference between the two breeds is the fact that Atlas Terriers can exist with a solid-colored coat. Atlas Terriers have a coat that may be a variety of different colors, including merles and brindles. They may also have white markings on their collars, toes, face, or chest. The two types of Atlas Terrier coats are smooth and wire. ''Atlas Terriers are an off shoot of the Jack Russell Terrier. The Jack Russell Terrier is the result of many different terrier breeds being crossed together. Breeders created the Jack Russell Terrier for their working abilities and paid little attention to their looks. Throughout history, more and more people have bred dogs for cosmetic reasons as opposed to their original working purpose(s). The Jack Russell Terrier is a perfect example of this concept. Contemporary breeders attempted to breed the Jack Russell Terrier into a mostly white dog, and they regarded the multi-colored specimens as non-breedable. Unfortunately, the gene that causes the mostly white coloration has led certain Jack Russell Terriers to become deaf. The coloration of the Atlas Terrier greatly reduces its chance of deafness.

I don't feel sure enough to say either keep or delete. Warrington (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * What is the source for this description? -- Shunpiker (talk) 15:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

This one h ttp://www.greatdogsite.com/breeds/details/Atlas_Terrier/, but the link is spam listed on Wikipedia... so... Warrington (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC) 
 * Merge to a mention in Jack Russell terrier article. Insufficient coverage for a stand alone article. Woof! ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  00:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge - Based on the current sources available, I can't justify a separate article for this new breed. A merge with Jack Russel Terrier sounds like the best course at this point.  When/if the subject gains individual notability, it can be broken out to its own article again.  A redirect is justified, since this is a possible search term. &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  00:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless reliable sources specifically describing the "Atlas Terrier" can be found. There are a ridiculous number of offshoot "breeds" like this out there; most of them are bred by no more than a few individual breeders, and lack recognition from the larger dog-breeding community (i.e, kennel clubs and breed registries). The news story hanging on this WP:COATRACK is certainly sad, but it doesn't add to the notability of the breed. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 07:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


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